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	<title>Comments on: China: Persecuting economic crimes</title>
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		<title>By: Global Voices بالعربية &#187; الصين : من قتل المراسل الشعبي ؟</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/04/02/china-persecuting-economic-crimes/comment-page-2/#comment-1360129</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Voices بالعربية &#187; الصين : من قتل المراسل الشعبي ؟</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] أن تنحصر عمليات الشنج وان في مطاردة الأعمال غير الشرعية و تجار الشوارع و مصادرة او تكسير بضائعهم خصوصا في المدن , لكن مستخدمو [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] أن تنحصر عمليات الشنج وان في مطاردة الأعمال غير الشرعية و تجار الشوارع و مصادرة او تكسير بضائعهم خصوصا في المدن , لكن مستخدمو [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; China: Citizen reporter killed—by who?</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/04/02/china-persecuting-economic-crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-1347753</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Voices Online &#187; China: Citizen reporter killed—by who?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] often limited to cracking down on unlicensed business operations in urban areas, most visibly in chasing away streetside vendors and smashing or confiscating their goods, but as netizens have noted in their outrage at Wei&#039;s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] often limited to cracking down on unlicensed business operations in urban areas, most visibly in chasing away streetside vendors and smashing or confiscating their goods, but as netizens have noted in their outrage at Wei&#39;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; China: MeMedia Issue 4: Copyright Kills Creation, Life&#8217;s Precious, Ching Ming Festival</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/04/02/china-persecuting-economic-crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-1006153</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Voices Online &#187; China: MeMedia Issue 4: Copyright Kills Creation, Life&#8217;s Precious, Ching Ming Festival</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 03:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 原来科学研究就是在讨好上帝，看来上帝的马屁不好拍，否则为何不增加一下人类性器官的数量，让我们更加high？都说人类起源自非洲，那么上帝也极可能是一位非洲人。可是田园洞人的发现 看来中国人并不受上帝的管辖。唉，科学上的争吵更是让人眼迷耳乱，谁叫学术永远是少数人的事情 呢？ IPv6 still haven&#8217;t been widely used, what should we do after the IP runs out in 2010?So doing scientific research is pleasing God, otherwise why don&#8217;t we increase more sex organs to get us higher? Everybody says that Human beings originated from Africa, in that case, God would probably be an African. However the discovery of Man at Tianyuan Cavity indicated that Chinese are under God&#8217;s control. Well, scientific argument is usually confusing as scientific research is always the task of the minority. [社会] 清明时节雨纷纷，多少人 需要祭奠啊！不过中国人越来越发现“死不起 (GFWed )“了，活着累，死也难。北京地铁塌方事故 更引发了人们对奥运安全的担忧 ，因为类似事故是否也有隐瞒呢 ？越来越多的事件 正在考问草根是否能够影响立法 。浙江台州的两院报告差点不能过关，难道有了电子表决器就有民主了吗？这个比较令人疑惑，就像有人说互联网因为匿名才敢说话一样。 [Society] Ching Ming Festival with endless drizzles, how many people need our commemoration. However, more and more Chinese realise that they could not afford to die (GFWed), for it&#8217;s hard to live, and hard to die. The collapse of Beijing subway station made people worry about the 2008 Olympic Games. More and more events are testing the possibility whether  the grassroots could have impact on legislation. Two Judicial reports of Zhe Jiang Tai Zhou got a mere pass in the city People&#8217;s Congress, do we have democracy by using digital voting machine? This is as puzzling as some have argued that people could only speak out in the internet when they are anonymous. 歌曲都曾经要少一截的当下，Zola同重庆的“维权户”必然是要最终一起被和谐掉的，在这个时刻被GFW，也算是帮GFW作了一下推广，让更多人正视GFW的存在才算是支持英明的党。Zola 也可以回家继续卖菜了。虽然无法得知和解的真正的交易内幕，但Zola这么闹一把，展现出的个人媒体的能量已经足够让传统媒体重视起来了。重庆最牛维权户和开发商最终和解的结局不是某些国外媒体希望看到的，但是看大片的心态也未必不在国人心中存在&#8230; In a situation when popular songs have to be edited for distribution, Zola&#8217;s story and the Chongqin &#8220;civic right house&#8221; of course have been harmonized all together. Now that it is GFWed, it serves as a promotion for the GFW. Zola can go home and continue his market life. Though we could never get to know the inside story of the deal, Zola&#8217;s action has already shown the power of individual media and gained the respect from traditional media. The final compromise of the nail householders and the developer were probably not what some of the foreign medias wanted to see, however, the attitude of watching big movie has been shared by some Chinese as well&#8230; 科级干部能够有600平米的住房 ，看来我们都得向政府官员们学习。不过中华全国总工会还是挺关心工人阶级利益的，要不然怎么会给“麦当劳 ”和沃尔玛那么多压力呢？ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 原来科学研究就是在讨好上帝，看来上帝的马屁不好拍，否则为何不增加一下人类性器官的数量，让我们更加high？都说人类起源自非洲，那么上帝也极可能是一位非洲人。可是田园洞人的发现 看来中国人并不受上帝的管辖。唉，科学上的争吵更是让人眼迷耳乱，谁叫学术永远是少数人的事情 呢？ IPv6 still haven&#8217;t been widely used, what should we do after the IP runs out in 2010?So doing scientific research is pleasing God, otherwise why don&#8217;t we increase more sex organs to get us higher? Everybody says that Human beings originated from Africa, in that case, God would probably be an African. However the discovery of Man at Tianyuan Cavity indicated that Chinese are under God&#8217;s control. Well, scientific argument is usually confusing as scientific research is always the task of the minority. [社会] 清明时节雨纷纷，多少人 需要祭奠啊！不过中国人越来越发现“死不起 (GFWed )“了，活着累，死也难。北京地铁塌方事故 更引发了人们对奥运安全的担忧 ，因为类似事故是否也有隐瞒呢 ？越来越多的事件 正在考问草根是否能够影响立法 。浙江台州的两院报告差点不能过关，难道有了电子表决器就有民主了吗？这个比较令人疑惑，就像有人说互联网因为匿名才敢说话一样。 [Society] Ching Ming Festival with endless drizzles, how many people need our commemoration. However, more and more Chinese realise that they could not afford to die (GFWed), for it&#8217;s hard to live, and hard to die. The collapse of Beijing subway station made people worry about the 2008 Olympic Games. More and more events are testing the possibility whether  the grassroots could have impact on legislation. Two Judicial reports of Zhe Jiang Tai Zhou got a mere pass in the city People&#8217;s Congress, do we have democracy by using digital voting machine? This is as puzzling as some have argued that people could only speak out in the internet when they are anonymous. 歌曲都曾经要少一截的当下，Zola同重庆的“维权户”必然是要最终一起被和谐掉的，在这个时刻被GFW，也算是帮GFW作了一下推广，让更多人正视GFW的存在才算是支持英明的党。Zola 也可以回家继续卖菜了。虽然无法得知和解的真正的交易内幕，但Zola这么闹一把，展现出的个人媒体的能量已经足够让传统媒体重视起来了。重庆最牛维权户和开发商最终和解的结局不是某些国外媒体希望看到的，但是看大片的心态也未必不在国人心中存在&#8230; In a situation when popular songs have to be edited for distribution, Zola&#8217;s story and the Chongqin &#8220;civic right house&#8221; of course have been harmonized all together. Now that it is GFWed, it serves as a promotion for the GFW. Zola can go home and continue his market life. Though we could never get to know the inside story of the deal, Zola&#8217;s action has already shown the power of individual media and gained the respect from traditional media. The final compromise of the nail householders and the developer were probably not what some of the foreign medias wanted to see, however, the attitude of watching big movie has been shared by some Chinese as well&#8230; 科级干部能够有600平米的住房 ，看来我们都得向政府官员们学习。不过中华全国总工会还是挺关心工人阶级利益的，要不然怎么会给“麦当劳 ”和沃尔玛那么多压力呢？ [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Slow Boat to China &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Pair of Shoes, Pants, T-Shirt, Bicycle, a Spoon&#8211;and a Death Sentence</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/04/02/china-persecuting-economic-crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-979478</link>
		<dc:creator>Slow Boat to China &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Pair of Shoes, Pants, T-Shirt, Bicycle, a Spoon&#8211;and a Death Sentence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 01:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A series of photos showing a chengguan apparently overstepping his authority in Guangzhou (the photos are at the bottom of the page, following a good discussion of the economic tensions rising in China.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A series of photos showing a chengguan apparently overstepping his authority in Guangzhou (the photos are at the bottom of the page, following a good discussion of the economic tensions rising in China.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mahathir_fan</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/04/02/china-persecuting-economic-crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-961972</link>
		<dc:creator>mahathir_fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 22:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is okay for more younger college students to join CCP as long as they join it because of their principles.

I myself have read Karl Marx&#039;s book on Capital. It is a good book. I recommend it. It is not very political(this one), and addresses a very important issue - an issue China is currently facing, the exploitation of Migrant workers.

In fact, with the current exploitation of China&#039;s migrant workers, rising property prices and standard of living; Communism is more relevant today in China than ever, and Karl Marx&#039;s theories is more applicable than ever to China today.

The problem with all these theories is of course, power hungry souls will spring up, offering their narrow interpretation of Communism and imprisoning everyone else who disagree with them.

What is more dangerous also I see is that Chinese people are not well versed in Communism principles. I wonder why they didn&#039;t teach Communism in schools. If we teach it like how we teach Ricardian theory or other economic theories, then more people will be able to debate and discuss the pro-cons of these theories and they will seem less threatening and people will be more open minded about doctoring these theories up and adapting them. Otherwise, these theories become like religions which cannot be criticized or scrutinized and then we have problem.

Marx&#039;s discussion on the problems of capitalism which he considered to be the exploitation of UNSKILLED workers is exactly the problem migrant workers in China are facing today.

However, I disagree with Marx&#039;s solutions as I think it is less destablizing (compared to a revolution) to instead focus on making today&#039;s unskilled workers the skilled workers of tomorrow by providing free education(both professional and skilled trades) to their children. 

Marx&#039;s theory does not predict that skilled workers would be exploited. In fact, skilled workers would command a premium to be paid by the capitalist. Thus raising education levels is one way we could address the problems that Communism is trying to fix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is okay for more younger college students to join CCP as long as they join it because of their principles.</p>
<p>I myself have read Karl Marx&#8217;s book on Capital. It is a good book. I recommend it. It is not very political(this one), and addresses a very important issue &#8211; an issue China is currently facing, the exploitation of Migrant workers.</p>
<p>In fact, with the current exploitation of China&#8217;s migrant workers, rising property prices and standard of living; Communism is more relevant today in China than ever, and Karl Marx&#8217;s theories is more applicable than ever to China today.</p>
<p>The problem with all these theories is of course, power hungry souls will spring up, offering their narrow interpretation of Communism and imprisoning everyone else who disagree with them.</p>
<p>What is more dangerous also I see is that Chinese people are not well versed in Communism principles. I wonder why they didn&#8217;t teach Communism in schools. If we teach it like how we teach Ricardian theory or other economic theories, then more people will be able to debate and discuss the pro-cons of these theories and they will seem less threatening and people will be more open minded about doctoring these theories up and adapting them. Otherwise, these theories become like religions which cannot be criticized or scrutinized and then we have problem.</p>
<p>Marx&#8217;s discussion on the problems of capitalism which he considered to be the exploitation of UNSKILLED workers is exactly the problem migrant workers in China are facing today.</p>
<p>However, I disagree with Marx&#8217;s solutions as I think it is less destablizing (compared to a revolution) to instead focus on making today&#8217;s unskilled workers the skilled workers of tomorrow by providing free education(both professional and skilled trades) to their children. </p>
<p>Marx&#8217;s theory does not predict that skilled workers would be exploited. In fact, skilled workers would command a premium to be paid by the capitalist. Thus raising education levels is one way we could address the problems that Communism is trying to fix.</p>
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		<title>By: SistaFoundU</title>
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		<dc:creator>SistaFoundU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 19:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing images capturing this event!  Thanks for posting.

The public security officers have got to have BIGGER crime to chase than this.  So tragic the events that ensued. . .the big fish still only go after the smallest fish.

rrrrrrrrrrrrr</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing images capturing this event!  Thanks for posting.</p>
<p>The public security officers have got to have BIGGER crime to chase than this.  So tragic the events that ensued. . .the big fish still only go after the smallest fish.</p>
<p>rrrrrrrrrrrrr</p>
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		<title>By: 草莓传播 (Memedia.cn) : 版权束创新，生命诚可贵，清明祭故人</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/04/02/china-persecuting-economic-crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-961296</link>
		<dc:creator>草莓传播 (Memedia.cn) : 版权束创新，生命诚可贵，清明祭故人</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 15:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 清明时节雨纷纷，多少人 需要祭奠啊！不过中国人越来越发现“死不起 (GFWed )“了，活着累，死也难。北京地铁塌方事故 更 引发了人们对奥运安全的担忧 ，因为类似事故是否也有隐瞒呢 ？越来越多的事件 正在考问草根是否能够影响立法 。浙江台州的两院报告差点不能过关 ，难道有了电子表决器就有民主了吗？这个比较令人疑惑，就像有人说互联网因为匿名才敢说话一样。 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 清明时节雨纷纷，多少人 需要祭奠啊！不过中国人越来越发现“死不起 (GFWed )“了，活着累，死也难。北京地铁塌方事故 更 引发了人们对奥运安全的担忧 ，因为类似事故是否也有隐瞒呢 ？越来越多的事件 正在考问草根是否能够影响立法 。浙江台州的两院报告差点不能过关 ，难道有了电子表决器就有民主了吗？这个比较令人疑惑，就像有人说互联网因为匿名才敢说话一样。 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: amble</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/04/02/china-persecuting-economic-crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-960708</link>
		<dc:creator>amble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 13:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is hateful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is hateful.</p>
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		<title>By: KT</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/04/02/china-persecuting-economic-crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-958320</link>
		<dc:creator>KT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 02:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Police and Urban Management personnel in Hong Kong have been chasing down unlicensed vendors for years. Most are not as dramatic as the case in these pictures, though. Also, I wonder all those street vendors in major American cities like NY, if they are under any regulations. I imagine they have to obtain licenses. Of course, acquiring a license in China through the proper channel could mean a lifetime&#039;s work. I think sometimes it&#039;s really the sheer number (of people) that makes things all so complicated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Police and Urban Management personnel in Hong Kong have been chasing down unlicensed vendors for years. Most are not as dramatic as the case in these pictures, though. Also, I wonder all those street vendors in major American cities like NY, if they are under any regulations. I imagine they have to obtain licenses. Of course, acquiring a license in China through the proper channel could mean a lifetime&#8217;s work. I think sometimes it&#8217;s really the sheer number (of people) that makes things all so complicated.</p>
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		<title>By: 园子</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/04/02/china-persecuting-economic-crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-951946</link>
		<dc:creator>园子</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 13:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it is horrible!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is horrible!</p>
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		<title>By: Media in China, Chinese media, advertising, and urban life - Danwei</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/04/02/china-persecuting-economic-crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-942852</link>
		<dc:creator>Media in China, Chinese media, advertising, and urban life - Danwei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 10:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Administrative fees or protection money?...&lt;/strong&gt;

Chengguan (城管) and other government agents take &quot;service fees&quot; from vendors and then turn a blind eye to the regulations....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Administrative fees or protection money?&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Chengguan (城管) and other government agents take &#8220;service fees&#8221; from vendors and then turn a blind eye to the regulations&#8230;.</p>
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