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	<title>Comments on: Africa: Bloggers Differ on Reparations and Apology for Slavery</title>
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	<description>The world is talking. Are you listening?</description>
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		<title>By: Cody Roe</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/03/28/africa-bloggers-split-on-reparations-and-apology-for-slavery/comment-page-2/#comment-1558625</link>
		<dc:creator>Cody Roe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that every country involved should apologize because then there would be less hostility between the continent of South Africa and all the other countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that every country involved should apologize because then there would be less hostility between the continent of South Africa and all the other countries.</p>
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		<title>By: uche</title>
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		<dc:creator>uche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 22:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>poverty is slavery, wealth is a tool for freedom but the pursuit of wealth is a way to slavery</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>poverty is slavery, wealth is a tool for freedom but the pursuit of wealth is a way to slavery</p>
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		<title>By: martin oberholzer</title>
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		<dc:creator>martin oberholzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>please stop and think a bit, although african people have been treated badly in the past and still are, what have they done to eradicate the indigenous khoisan peoples of south africa, otherwise known as bushmen and hottentots

today african rulers are destroying their own people through corruption, incompetence, mismangement and clinging to outmoded ideologies, while at the same time expecting the western nations whom they so readily criticize, to come to their aid at the same time

the world does not work like that, you cannot be friends with china, iran, russia and spew forth communist propaganda, while wondering why the west do not come to your aid and help with aiding in the civil wars, AIDS, hunger and ethnic violence</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>please stop and think a bit, although african people have been treated badly in the past and still are, what have they done to eradicate the indigenous khoisan peoples of south africa, otherwise known as bushmen and hottentots</p>
<p>today african rulers are destroying their own people through corruption, incompetence, mismangement and clinging to outmoded ideologies, while at the same time expecting the western nations whom they so readily criticize, to come to their aid at the same time</p>
<p>the world does not work like that, you cannot be friends with china, iran, russia and spew forth communist propaganda, while wondering why the west do not come to your aid and help with aiding in the civil wars, AIDS, hunger and ethnic violence</p>
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		<title>By: laini mataka</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/03/28/africa-bloggers-split-on-reparations-and-apology-for-slavery/comment-page-1/#comment-986201</link>
		<dc:creator>laini mataka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 22:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is cruel to ask the most destructive species on the planet to apologize for being who and what they are?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is cruel to ask the most destructive species on the planet to apologize for being who and what they are?</p>
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		<title>By: Elliott Joseph</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/03/28/africa-bloggers-split-on-reparations-and-apology-for-slavery/comment-page-1/#comment-921949</link>
		<dc:creator>Elliott Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 10:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>20 years after his abolition, it is time we apologised for Ken Livingstone?

http://elliottjoseph.blogspot.com/2007/03/ken-livingstone-apology.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>20 years after his abolition, it is time we apologised for Ken Livingstone?</p>
<p><a href="http://elliottjoseph.blogspot.com/2007/03/ken-livingstone-apology.html" rel="nofollow">http://elliottjoseph.blogspot.com/2007/03/ken-livingstone-apology.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Grandiose Parlor &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Slavery: Does Africa Need an Apology or Reparation?</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/03/28/africa-bloggers-split-on-reparations-and-apology-for-slavery/comment-page-1/#comment-920929</link>
		<dc:creator>Grandiose Parlor &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Slavery: Does Africa Need an Apology or Reparation?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 05:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hat-tip to Ndesanjo for the blog round-up on slavery and reparations. What the round-up left out are the conversations on Naijablog and Modal Minority (and other blogs) that discussed the interruption of the commemorative service marking the 200th anniversary of end of slavery in London by Toyin Agbetu, a human rights activist and founder of Ligali - an “African Human Rights Organisation that challenge the misrepresentation of African people and culture in the British media”. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Hat-tip to Ndesanjo for the blog round-up on slavery and reparations. What the round-up left out are the conversations on Naijablog and Modal Minority (and other blogs) that discussed the interruption of the commemorative service marking the 200th anniversary of end of slavery in London by Toyin Agbetu, a human rights activist and founder of Ligali &#8211; an “African Human Rights Organisation that challenge the misrepresentation of African people and culture in the British media”. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: nafiysa</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/03/28/africa-bloggers-split-on-reparations-and-apology-for-slavery/comment-page-1/#comment-919525</link>
		<dc:creator>nafiysa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 21:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Efforts of our predecessors must never be underestimated. dialogue is of the sincerest opinion that the struggles of our ancestors can never be trivialised.

Provocative pronouncements recently suggesting modern day human trafficking is worst than Chattel Slavery is but a confirmation of culpability. In fact such insensitive conjecture, (without an apology for this transgression) further compounds complicity for a flagrant abuse of human rights. It is also a direct assault/insult on the integrity of surviving generations across the Afrikan Diaspora.

The world, as we know it today is still reeling from the effects of that human calamity. While many remain unaware that painstaking research- has revealed this so called ”Gentleman’s Trade” was not abolished because perpetrators felt remorse for their victims (of whatever hue or origin) but conveniently abandoned some conduits of this heinous system because of economic expediency.

As indicated in our previous issue, this auspicious anniversary offers all an opportunity to debate, RE-visit and RE-examine the factors that contributed to this sad saga that haunts the present. It is necessary to redress the balance acknowledging the diverse struggles against this grave injustice.

Abolition as legislated (two hundred years ago) resonates hollow as the fate of those who were rescued by British ships were immediately conscripted into the military service (First West India Regiment) to serve in colonial conflicts during the period. The American War of Independence, Boer, Ashanti and Zulu wars are clear examples of this maltreatment. Descendants across the globe still bear the traumatic burdens and anguish of this tragedy.

Need it be reiterated, that the Planters and Slave proprietors in the British Colonies were compensated with Twenty Million pounds while the Afrikan slaves got zilch and were retained in servitude for decades under an ill-conceived Apprenticeship scheme.

dialogue does not condone the insensitive celebration of hailed individuals as Abolitionists when they were oppressors of their own country men/women by way of unjust class partitions, servitude, social deprivation and economic apartheid.

Our Winter/Spring edition is consciously dedicated to our predecessors who relentlessly resisted enslavement via rebellions on the slaver vessels to the first factories (Gold Mines, Cotton, Sugar, Tobacco &amp; Cocoa plantations).

We give formal thanks with libations for the prescience and pains of Ancestors Jacques Dessalines, Harriet Tubman, Henri Christophe, Paul Bogle, Toussaint L’Ouverture, Leonard Parkinson, Julien Fedon, Nat Turner, Cudjoe, Simon Bolivar, Cinquez, Bussa, Kofi, Sam Sharp, Nanny of the Maroons, Chatouer, Zumbi dos Palmares, Daaga and Carlota among many other nameless Herus and Ausets (Horus &amp; Isis).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Efforts of our predecessors must never be underestimated. dialogue is of the sincerest opinion that the struggles of our ancestors can never be trivialised.</p>
<p>Provocative pronouncements recently suggesting modern day human trafficking is worst than Chattel Slavery is but a confirmation of culpability. In fact such insensitive conjecture, (without an apology for this transgression) further compounds complicity for a flagrant abuse of human rights. It is also a direct assault/insult on the integrity of surviving generations across the Afrikan Diaspora.</p>
<p>The world, as we know it today is still reeling from the effects of that human calamity. While many remain unaware that painstaking research- has revealed this so called ”Gentleman’s Trade” was not abolished because perpetrators felt remorse for their victims (of whatever hue or origin) but conveniently abandoned some conduits of this heinous system because of economic expediency.</p>
<p>As indicated in our previous issue, this auspicious anniversary offers all an opportunity to debate, RE-visit and RE-examine the factors that contributed to this sad saga that haunts the present. It is necessary to redress the balance acknowledging the diverse struggles against this grave injustice.</p>
<p>Abolition as legislated (two hundred years ago) resonates hollow as the fate of those who were rescued by British ships were immediately conscripted into the military service (First West India Regiment) to serve in colonial conflicts during the period. The American War of Independence, Boer, Ashanti and Zulu wars are clear examples of this maltreatment. Descendants across the globe still bear the traumatic burdens and anguish of this tragedy.</p>
<p>Need it be reiterated, that the Planters and Slave proprietors in the British Colonies were compensated with Twenty Million pounds while the Afrikan slaves got zilch and were retained in servitude for decades under an ill-conceived Apprenticeship scheme.</p>
<p>dialogue does not condone the insensitive celebration of hailed individuals as Abolitionists when they were oppressors of their own country men/women by way of unjust class partitions, servitude, social deprivation and economic apartheid.</p>
<p>Our Winter/Spring edition is consciously dedicated to our predecessors who relentlessly resisted enslavement via rebellions on the slaver vessels to the first factories (Gold Mines, Cotton, Sugar, Tobacco &amp; Cocoa plantations).</p>
<p>We give formal thanks with libations for the prescience and pains of Ancestors Jacques Dessalines, Harriet Tubman, Henri Christophe, Paul Bogle, Toussaint L’Ouverture, Leonard Parkinson, Julien Fedon, Nat Turner, Cudjoe, Simon Bolivar, Cinquez, Bussa, Kofi, Sam Sharp, Nanny of the Maroons, Chatouer, Zumbi dos Palmares, Daaga and Carlota among many other nameless Herus and Ausets (Horus &amp; Isis).</p>
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		<title>By: nafiysa</title>
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		<dc:creator>nafiysa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 21:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this editorial questions the validity of this bicentenary commemoration...
may the ancestors be pleased</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this editorial questions the validity of this bicentenary commemoration&#8230;<br />
may the ancestors be pleased</p>
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		<title>By: Blair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In 700, African armies crossed the Mediterrean and invaded Europe, driving all the way to the outskirts of Paris. Their of the Iberian Penisula (Spain and Portugal) last 400 years. During this time, millions of white slaves were transported for Europe to Africa and Arabia. The formation of European nation states and military forces were a reaction to this invasion and other invasion out of Asia and Arabia.

The Europeans never raided African villages to kidnap and enslave Africans. They purchased slaves from powerful African tribes that ran the slave market.

European military forces did not enter Africa until the late 1800s, after slavery had been abolished in the United States and Europe. Some merchants got rich, but the African colonies proved to be a drain on European treasuries. That&#039;s why the rush to get out of Africa was as urgent as the rush to get in. 

The European colonization of Africa virtually ended slavery in Africas, but it is making a strong comeback now that the Europeans have abandoned their colonies. Today, more human beings, many of them children, are trafficked in African each year than at the height of the Atlantic slave trade. Meanwhile, the infrastructure that the Europeans left behind them in Africa (schools, roads, hospitals and industries) is rapidly disappearing through most of Africa. Europeans continue support Africa with foreign air and debt forgiveness, and occasionally sends troops to stop famines and genocidal warfare. 

The Europeans did not introduce slavery to the Americas. Both the Aztec and Inca empires, for example, were slave-based societies. The largest slave market that every existed in the Americas was the Aztec slave market outside Mexico City in pre-Colombian times. The minor Native American tribes also had slaves.

In the United States, about 6 percent of whites and 1/6 percent of free blacks owned slaves. (Some of the South&#039;s biggest landowners and slave owners were free blacks.) The other 94 percent of whites worked. U.S. industries not related to slavery, to name a few, include mining, railroading, tool making, light manufacturing, heavy manufacturing, livestock, auto manufacturing, mining, aerodynamics, electronics, radio, television, space exploration, and computer hardware and software. The development of farm machinery and improved horticulture not slavery made the United States an agricultural powerhouse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 700, African armies crossed the Mediterrean and invaded Europe, driving all the way to the outskirts of Paris. Their of the Iberian Penisula (Spain and Portugal) last 400 years. During this time, millions of white slaves were transported for Europe to Africa and Arabia. The formation of European nation states and military forces were a reaction to this invasion and other invasion out of Asia and Arabia.</p>
<p>The Europeans never raided African villages to kidnap and enslave Africans. They purchased slaves from powerful African tribes that ran the slave market.</p>
<p>European military forces did not enter Africa until the late 1800s, after slavery had been abolished in the United States and Europe. Some merchants got rich, but the African colonies proved to be a drain on European treasuries. That&#8217;s why the rush to get out of Africa was as urgent as the rush to get in. </p>
<p>The European colonization of Africa virtually ended slavery in Africas, but it is making a strong comeback now that the Europeans have abandoned their colonies. Today, more human beings, many of them children, are trafficked in African each year than at the height of the Atlantic slave trade. Meanwhile, the infrastructure that the Europeans left behind them in Africa (schools, roads, hospitals and industries) is rapidly disappearing through most of Africa. Europeans continue support Africa with foreign air and debt forgiveness, and occasionally sends troops to stop famines and genocidal warfare. </p>
<p>The Europeans did not introduce slavery to the Americas. Both the Aztec and Inca empires, for example, were slave-based societies. The largest slave market that every existed in the Americas was the Aztec slave market outside Mexico City in pre-Colombian times. The minor Native American tribes also had slaves.</p>
<p>In the United States, about 6 percent of whites and 1/6 percent of free blacks owned slaves. (Some of the South&#8217;s biggest landowners and slave owners were free blacks.) The other 94 percent of whites worked. U.S. industries not related to slavery, to name a few, include mining, railroading, tool making, light manufacturing, heavy manufacturing, livestock, auto manufacturing, mining, aerodynamics, electronics, radio, television, space exploration, and computer hardware and software. The development of farm machinery and improved horticulture not slavery made the United States an agricultural powerhouse.</p>
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		<title>By: Penny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I challenge anyone to show me any part of the U.S./European economy that is not tied to the slave trade or direct colonialism.  Follow the money trail. Prior to the trade in African people Europe was poor, backwards, diseased, oppressed by feudalism, warlike and scary. African nations, the Indigenous peoples of the Americas, Arabs and the Asians were prosperous and healthy. They call it the &quot;dark&quot; ages but this was only in Europe, most others were doing fine--Mali,Songhai, Persia, China, India, the Aztecs, Mayans, Iroquois...

The slave trade and the theft of Africa&#039;s resources, along with genocide against the indigenous peoples and the theft of their land and colonialism around the world: This is what made Europe and the white world rich. Now white people are rich and everybody else is poor and oppressed. 

Africa is poor today because of this! Why should anyone in diamond, gold, bauxite, coltan, uranium, oil-rich Africa be living on a dollar a day when the European and American companies are making billions of dollars--taking everything out of Africa!

Africa and all its resources belong to African people everywhere--African working people, not the puppets who front for America and Europe.--people like Kwame Nkrumah and Patrice Lumumba who were overthrown and assassinated for their stand to unite and liberate Africa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I challenge anyone to show me any part of the U.S./European economy that is not tied to the slave trade or direct colonialism.  Follow the money trail. Prior to the trade in African people Europe was poor, backwards, diseased, oppressed by feudalism, warlike and scary. African nations, the Indigenous peoples of the Americas, Arabs and the Asians were prosperous and healthy. They call it the &#8220;dark&#8221; ages but this was only in Europe, most others were doing fine&#8211;Mali,Songhai, Persia, China, India, the Aztecs, Mayans, Iroquois&#8230;</p>
<p>The slave trade and the theft of Africa&#8217;s resources, along with genocide against the indigenous peoples and the theft of their land and colonialism around the world: This is what made Europe and the white world rich. Now white people are rich and everybody else is poor and oppressed. </p>
<p>Africa is poor today because of this! Why should anyone in diamond, gold, bauxite, coltan, uranium, oil-rich Africa be living on a dollar a day when the European and American companies are making billions of dollars&#8211;taking everything out of Africa!</p>
<p>Africa and all its resources belong to African people everywhere&#8211;African working people, not the puppets who front for America and Europe.&#8211;people like Kwame Nkrumah and Patrice Lumumba who were overthrown and assassinated for their stand to unite and liberate Africa.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Hayes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the mention and the trackback. Interesting range of views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the mention and the trackback. Interesting range of views.</p>
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		<title>By: Pearl Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pearl Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article, &quot;From Apology . . . to Moral Action,&quot; published by Ekklesia in February 2006, when the Church of England debated whether to apologize for slavery, was republished on March 28, 2007, as &quot;From Apology . . . to Moral Action on Slavery,&quot; now that the Church of England&#039;s leaders voted 238 to 0 to apologize, and is now pondering reparations.

http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/node/4954</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article, &#8220;From Apology . . . to Moral Action,&#8221; published by Ekklesia in February 2006, when the Church of England debated whether to apologize for slavery, was republished on March 28, 2007, as &#8220;From Apology . . . to Moral Action on Slavery,&#8221; now that the Church of England&#8217;s leaders voted 238 to 0 to apologize, and is now pondering reparations.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/node/4954" rel="nofollow">http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/node/4954</a></p>
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