Comments on: Not So Fast! – Bolivia to Require Visas from U.S. Citizens http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/01/04/not-so-fast-%e2%80%93-bolivia-to-require-visas-from-us-citizens/ The world is talking. Are you listening? Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:28:02 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: magbana http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/01/04/not-so-fast-%e2%80%93-bolivia-to-require-visas-from-us-citizens/comment-page-2/#comment-1279257 magbana Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:12:50 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2007/01/04/not-so-fast-%e2%80%93-bolivia-to-require-visas-from-us-citizens/#comment-1279257 Please folks, put on thinking cap and tighten strap. The reason that Bolivia has imposed visa requirements on US is not payback or because President Morales think Bush is a jerk (which I imagine he does!) It is because the US government is actively pouring money and people into Bolivia to DESTABILIZE it. If, Morales is going to stop his country from being destroyed, his government must carefully scrutinize everyone coming there from the US. The US conducted an unsuccessful overthrow in Venezuela and a successful one in Haiti and the US Agency for International Development’s funding of the National Endowment for Democracy (the experts at “soft coups”) planned and implemented these coups. Now, NED has Bolivia in its sights. The destabilization usually begins with US cultivating a relationship (read money) with the “opposition” and creating propaganda to suggest that the opposition is far greater in number than is true. Another feature of the destabilization is shameless demonization of the democratically-elected leader. In this case, Morales’ indigenous heritage and his coca leaf harvesting will be twisted into a perverted representation that the best public relations firms in the world cannot untangle. Also, the strategy calls for the creation of fake human rights NGO’s that are fronts for NED to frame members of the government and supporters. In Haiti, the former Prime Minister and the country’s most popular folksinger were framed by such groups and both sat in prison for over two years based on these false accusations. The final step is US enlistment of its allies in economic punishment of the country, thereby destroying the country’s infrastructure. Having enriched and empowered the opposition, ruined the reputation of the leader, funded organizations to accuse high ranking government officials of human rights abuses, and coerced allies in condemning the country politically and economically on the world stage, the US comes in for the kill and organizes the opposition and appropriate military forces for a violent coup d’etat. I am delighted to hear that Bolivia is taking this step with the visa process – it is one of the best ways to protect the country’s democracy. A few references you might want to check out to see how this all goes down. Venezuela - http://www.greenleft.org.au/2006/691/35882 Haiti - http://hcvanalysis.wordpress.com/haiti-background/ Please folks, put on thinking cap and tighten strap. The reason that Bolivia has imposed visa requirements on US is not payback or because President Morales think Bush is a jerk (which I imagine he does!) It is because the US government is actively pouring money and people into Bolivia to DESTABILIZE it. If, Morales is going to stop his country from being destroyed, his government must carefully scrutinize everyone coming there from the US. The US conducted an unsuccessful overthrow in Venezuela and a successful one in Haiti and the US Agency for International Development’s funding of the National Endowment for Democracy (the experts at “soft coups”) planned and implemented these coups. Now, NED has Bolivia in its sights.

The destabilization usually begins with US cultivating a relationship (read money) with the “opposition” and creating propaganda to suggest that the opposition is far greater in number than is true. Another feature of the destabilization is shameless demonization of the democratically-elected leader. In this case, Morales’ indigenous heritage and his coca leaf harvesting will be twisted into a perverted representation that the best public relations firms in the world cannot untangle. Also, the strategy calls for the creation of fake human rights NGO’s that are fronts for NED to frame members of the government and supporters. In Haiti, the former Prime Minister and the country’s most popular folksinger were framed by such groups and both sat in prison for over two years based on these false accusations. The final step is US enlistment of its allies in economic punishment of the country, thereby destroying the country’s infrastructure.

Having enriched and empowered the opposition, ruined the reputation of the leader, funded organizations to accuse high ranking government officials of human rights abuses, and coerced allies in condemning the country politically and economically on the world stage, the US comes in for the kill and organizes the opposition and appropriate military forces for a violent coup d’etat.

I am delighted to hear that Bolivia is taking this step with the visa process – it is one of the best ways to protect the country’s democracy.

A few references you might want to check out to see how this all goes down.

Venezuela – http://www.greenleft.org.au/2006/691/35882

Haiti – http://hcvanalysis.wordpress.com/haiti-background/

]]> By: carl http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/01/04/not-so-fast-%e2%80%93-bolivia-to-require-visas-from-us-citizens/comment-page-2/#comment-1267226 carl Fri, 28 Dec 2007 18:33:37 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2007/01/04/not-so-fast-%e2%80%93-bolivia-to-require-visas-from-us-citizens/#comment-1267226 Well, actually all Latinamerican countries should have to retaliate in such way. Can you imagine, Americans asking Visas for all Latinamerican countries that want to visit? no way. Do Americans want to visit Galapagos Islands, Macchu Picchu, Tango shows,they should have to pay for that. The world has been changed and USA is not anymore, the superpower that used to dominate the world economy. The US dollar is weaker even in Third World countries, we do not need devaluated dollars the USA is just another rich country; by the way; to entry Chile which USA has signed a free trade agreement, has imposed a visa tourist entry reciprocity fee, to all the countries that want to visit Chile, and the money Chile collect is invested in Tourist service. That is a fact. Good for you Chile, Bolivia and Brazil Well, actually all Latinamerican countries should have to retaliate in such way. Can you imagine, Americans asking Visas for all Latinamerican countries that want to visit? no way. Do Americans want to visit Galapagos Islands, Macchu Picchu, Tango shows,they should have to pay for that. The world has been changed and USA is not anymore, the superpower that used to dominate the world economy. The US dollar is weaker even in Third World countries, we do not need devaluated dollars the USA is just another rich country; by the way; to entry Chile which USA has signed a free trade agreement, has imposed a visa tourist entry reciprocity fee, to all the countries that want to visit Chile, and the money Chile collect is invested in Tourist service. That is a fact. Good for you Chile, Bolivia and Brazil

]]> By: Denyse Chacaltana http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/01/04/not-so-fast-%e2%80%93-bolivia-to-require-visas-from-us-citizens/comment-page-1/#comment-900523 Denyse Chacaltana Sun, 25 Mar 2007 13:54:13 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2007/01/04/not-so-fast-%e2%80%93-bolivia-to-require-visas-from-us-citizens/#comment-900523 Again, it is not so much Bolivian anti-American as the Bush Administration in the United States is anti Bolivian. Bush always publicly bashes the leadership of the Bolivian government and especially Evo Morales. Bolivians should be as welcome here as Americans are welcomed there. Again, it is not so much Bolivian anti-American as the Bush Administration in the United States is anti Bolivian. Bush always publicly bashes the leadership of the Bolivian government and especially Evo Morales. Bolivians should be as welcome here as Americans are welcomed there.

]]> By: Heinz http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/01/04/not-so-fast-%e2%80%93-bolivia-to-require-visas-from-us-citizens/comment-page-1/#comment-873695 Heinz Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:57:10 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2007/01/04/not-so-fast-%e2%80%93-bolivia-to-require-visas-from-us-citizens/#comment-873695 Nothing generates as much jobs and local income as tourism. So many countries try to attract tourists with beautiful television spots on CNN and other televison stations. Absolutely not understandable why Bolivia wants now to impose a Visa for Americans. Such big spenders that really travel spend a lot of money and are basically very Bolivian friendly. Even China and Cuba makes a lot of efforts to attract tourists. It is really sad that Bolivia has become so much anti American and now even puts up artifical borders on a free travel influx. But those that still visit Bolivia should visit Magdalena where Flora and Fauna comes before politics. Here have a look: http://magdalena-e.hwz-inc.com Nothing generates as much jobs and local income as tourism. So many countries try to attract tourists with beautiful television spots on CNN and other televison stations. Absolutely not understandable why Bolivia wants now to impose a Visa for Americans. Such big spenders that really travel spend a lot of money and are basically very Bolivian friendly. Even China and Cuba makes a lot of efforts to attract tourists. It is really sad that Bolivia has become so much anti American and now even puts up artifical borders on a free travel influx. But those that still visit Bolivia should visit Magdalena where Flora and Fauna comes before politics. Here have a look:
http://magdalena-e.hwz-inc.com

]]> By: Denyse Chacaltana http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/01/04/not-so-fast-%e2%80%93-bolivia-to-require-visas-from-us-citizens/comment-page-1/#comment-749710 Denyse Chacaltana Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:51:28 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2007/01/04/not-so-fast-%e2%80%93-bolivia-to-require-visas-from-us-citizens/#comment-749710 President Morales is only giving the Bush Administration some of it's own medicine. The Bush Administration is putting many burdens which are costly and restrictive on people from other countries trying to visit the United States - through requiring passports, biometrics in passports, additional scanning devices, and probably some sort of tracking devices that track entry and departure - all in the fear mongering that they impose by continuously using the term terrorists and terrorism. Bolivia is made up with as many good, honest, hardworking people as the United States is and what goes around, comes around. It may put a burden on Bolivians in the United States wanting to travel to their home country, but the Bush Administration has already put additional burdens on people from Bolivia wanting to travel to the United States. Go Morales - I admire you and wish you the best. As for American citizens - why should they not have to bear the same burden as others have to bear? Get rid of your I am better than everyone else in the world attitude and try looking at the world as God's instead of yours. President Morales is only giving the Bush Administration some of it’s own medicine. The Bush Administration is putting many burdens which are costly and restrictive on people from other countries trying to visit the United States – through requiring passports, biometrics in passports, additional scanning devices, and probably some sort of tracking devices that track entry and departure – all in the fear mongering that they impose by continuously using the term terrorists and terrorism. Bolivia is made up with as many good, honest, hardworking people as the United States is and what goes around, comes around. It may put a burden on Bolivians in the United States wanting to travel to their home country, but the Bush Administration has already put additional burdens on people from Bolivia wanting to travel to the United States. Go Morales – I admire you and wish you the best. As for American citizens – why should they not have to bear the same burden as others have to bear? Get rid of your I am better than everyone else in the world attitude and try looking at the world as God’s instead of yours.

]]> By: Voces Globales / La semana que fue http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/01/04/not-so-fast-%e2%80%93-bolivia-to-require-visas-from-us-citizens/comment-page-1/#comment-595907 Voces Globales / La semana que fue Sat, 13 Jan 2007 02:49:50 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2007/01/04/not-so-fast-%e2%80%93-bolivia-to-require-visas-from-us-citizens/#comment-595907 [...] Después de unas semanas de vacaciones tenemos que volver a nuestras actividades cotidianas, el trabajo y la universidad nos esperan, y también nos espera al comunidad de blogs bolivianos. Es así que con las fuerzas repuestas regresamos. Para inaugurar este nuevo año traemos un artículo de la mano de Eduardo Ávila, Barrioflores. Aquí se encuentra la versión en inglés del texto (en esta ocación la traducción también es de Eduardo). [...] [...] Después de unas semanas de vacaciones tenemos que volver a nuestras actividades cotidianas, el trabajo y la universidad nos esperan, y también nos espera al comunidad de blogs bolivianos. Es así que con las fuerzas repuestas regresamos. Para inaugurar este nuevo año traemos un artículo de la mano de Eduardo Ávila, Barrioflores. Aquí se encuentra la versión en inglés del texto (en esta ocación la traducción también es de Eduardo). [...]

]]> By: Raul Contreras http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/01/04/not-so-fast-%e2%80%93-bolivia-to-require-visas-from-us-citizens/comment-page-1/#comment-587311 Raul Contreras Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:20:06 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2007/01/04/not-so-fast-%e2%80%93-bolivia-to-require-visas-from-us-citizens/#comment-587311 I believe that the visa requirement for U.S. citizens makes no sense, and is most likely a hormonal and childish retaliation for the denial of U.S. visas to a couple of Bolivian government officials. But the contention of the previous poster that they are doing this as a way to raise money is simply preposterous. One thousand or two thousand visas a year, at the very most, at $100 a piece, is not any significant amount of money even for Bolivian standards. Just as preposterous is his/her assertion that Harry Reid's visit caused it. I believe that the visa requirement for U.S. citizens makes no sense, and is most likely a hormonal and childish retaliation for the denial of U.S. visas to a couple of Bolivian government officials.

But the contention of the previous poster that they are doing this as a way to raise money is simply preposterous. One thousand or two thousand visas a year, at the very most, at $100 a piece, is not any significant amount of money even for Bolivian standards. Just as preposterous is his/her assertion that Harry Reid’s visit caused it.

]]> By: A.M. Mora y Leon http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/01/04/not-so-fast-%e2%80%93-bolivia-to-require-visas-from-us-citizens/comment-page-1/#comment-585031 A.M. Mora y Leon Wed, 10 Jan 2007 04:46:58 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2007/01/04/not-so-fast-%e2%80%93-bolivia-to-require-visas-from-us-citizens/#comment-585031 I am still wondering if it was related to Harry Reid's idiot trip to Bolivia. The guy was so patronizing and said such dumb things, calling Bolivia 'the best lil' country in South America' - stuff you'd never say to any country's president, even if the country really were small - that I think he rubbed Morales the wrong way and made him want to apply for a visa. The other thing is, I am sure Morales is looking for ways to raise money, given his hostility to creating a viable economy that would in turn supply him with a tax base, and an entry tax via visas is a nice easy way to do it. Especially if he can stick it to the expats who earn more money washing dishes illegally than he'll ever make as president. I am sure it could be as base as that. I am still wondering if it was related to Harry Reid’s idiot trip to Bolivia. The guy was so patronizing and said such dumb things, calling Bolivia ‘the best lil’ country in South America’ – stuff you’d never say to any country’s president, even if the country really were small – that I think he rubbed Morales the wrong way and made him want to apply for a visa. The other thing is, I am sure Morales is looking for ways to raise money, given his hostility to creating a viable economy that would in turn supply him with a tax base, and an entry tax via visas is a nice easy way to do it. Especially if he can stick it to the expats who earn more money washing dishes illegally than he’ll ever make as president. I am sure it could be as base as that.

]]> By: 全球之声-全球博客内容中文翻译版 » Blog Archive » 玻利维亚: 新政策要求美国人申请签证入国 http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/01/04/not-so-fast-%e2%80%93-bolivia-to-require-visas-from-us-citizens/comment-page-1/#comment-571003 全球之声-全球博客内容中文翻译版 » Blog Archive » 玻利维亚: 新政策要求美国人申请签证入国 Sat, 06 Jan 2007 08:23:44 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2007/01/04/not-so-fast-%e2%80%93-bolivia-to-require-visas-from-us-citizens/#comment-571003 [...] 原文： Not So Fast! - Bolivia to Require Visas from U.S. Citizens 作者： Eduardo Avila 译者： Leonard校对： dreamf [...] [...] 原文： Not So Fast! – Bolivia to Require Visas from U.S. Citizens 作者： Eduardo Avila 译者： Leonard校对： dreamf [...]

]]> By: Josh Renaud http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/01/04/not-so-fast-%e2%80%93-bolivia-to-require-visas-from-us-citizens/comment-page-1/#comment-569491 Josh Renaud Fri, 05 Jan 2007 20:50:59 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2007/01/04/not-so-fast-%e2%80%93-bolivia-to-require-visas-from-us-citizens/#comment-569491 Gustavo Siles' hope seems strange to me. This decree will require the Bolivian consulate to do more work than it does now, to deal with more people than it does now. How will that make the consulate more efficient? My limited dealings with the Bolivian embassy in the U.S. consistently have been a nightmare. If this decree does anything, it will make things WORSE. Gustavo Siles’ hope seems strange to me. This decree will require the Bolivian consulate to do more work than it does now, to deal with more people than it does now. How will that make the consulate more efficient? My limited dealings with the Bolivian embassy in the U.S. consistently have been a nightmare. If this decree does anything, it will make things WORSE.

]]> By: Barrio Flores » Global Voices Article http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/01/04/not-so-fast-%e2%80%93-bolivia-to-require-visas-from-us-citizens/comment-page-1/#comment-566927 Barrio Flores » Global Voices Article Fri, 05 Jan 2007 04:49:46 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2007/01/04/not-so-fast-%e2%80%93-bolivia-to-require-visas-from-us-citizens/#comment-566927 [...] is up. By Eddie Feedbacks on this entry via RSS 2.0 Please leave a Comment or discuss via Trackback! Comments Please Leave aComment! [...] [...] is up. By Eddie Feedbacks on this entry via RSS 2.0 Please leave a Comment or discuss via Trackback! Comments Please Leave aComment! [...]

]]> By: Julia Ardón http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/01/04/not-so-fast-%e2%80%93-bolivia-to-require-visas-from-us-citizens/comment-page-1/#comment-566763 Julia Ardón Fri, 05 Jan 2007 03:46:54 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2007/01/04/not-so-fast-%e2%80%93-bolivia-to-require-visas-from-us-citizens/#comment-566763 Es una decisión, creo que más simbólica que otra cosa. ¿ qué cuesta ir a un consulado? Por nuestra parte, en Costa Rica, tenemos que pedir cita para pedir la visa tres meses antes, pagar $ 100 y a veces no la dan. Perdés los $ 100 por el tiempo que te hicieron perder. No se trata de "venganza" , sino de equidad. Cuando todos los países hagamos lo mismo, ellos se darán cuenta que mejor quitan las visas y las fronteras y los muros, y más que el libre mercado, que se libere el libre tránsito de personas. <strong>Translation of comment by Global Voices author <a href="http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/author/eduardo-avila/" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">Eduardo Avila</a></strong>: It is a decision, I think, that's more symbolic than anything else. What's the big deal in having to go to a consulate? In Costa Rica, we must make an visa appointment three months in advance, pay the $100 fee, and sometimes they turn us down. You lose the $100 and the time that they made you waste. This doesn't have to do with revenge, rather it is about equality. When all countries begin do the same, they will realize that it might be better to get rid of visas, borders, the walls and like the free market, they will free up the free transit of people. Es una decisión, creo que más simbólica que otra cosa.
¿ qué cuesta ir a un consulado?
Por nuestra parte, en Costa Rica, tenemos que pedir cita para pedir la visa tres meses antes, pagar $ 100 y a veces no la dan.
Perdés los $ 100 por el tiempo que te hicieron perder.
No se trata de “venganza” , sino de equidad.
Cuando todos los países hagamos lo mismo, ellos se darán cuenta que mejor quitan las visas y las fronteras y los muros, y más que el libre mercado, que se libere el libre tránsito de personas.

Translation of comment by Global Voices author Eduardo Avila:

It is a decision, I think, that’s more symbolic than anything else. What’s the big deal in having to go to a consulate? In Costa Rica, we must make an visa appointment three months in advance, pay the $100 fee, and sometimes they turn us down. You lose the $100 and the time that they made you waste. This doesn’t have to do with revenge, rather it is about equality. When all countries begin do the same, they will realize that it might be better to get rid of visas, borders, the walls and like the free market, they will free up the free transit of people.

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