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	<title>Comments on: Serbia, Slovenia: Relationship with the Roma People</title>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; Blogger of the Week: Ljubisa Bojic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Global Voices Online &#187; Blogger of the Week: Ljubisa Bojic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] But he has also introduced blogs from his home town (Kragujevac, in Serbia), has written about the situation of Roma people in Slovenia and the legalization of prostitution in Croatia, and has introduced many readers to the famous [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] But he has also introduced blogs from his home town (Kragujevac, in Serbia), has written about the situation of Roma people in Slovenia and the legalization of prostitution in Croatia, and has introduced many readers to the famous [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Abram</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its all narrows down to greed and the unwillingness to accept things as it is in life by matured adults.
we have to look up to children and learn from them, they mold &amp; filter the polluted adult mind which is filled ego and selfishness.
we adults only pass on this to the next generation, and leave the young people at the edge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its all narrows down to greed and the unwillingness to accept things as it is in life by matured adults.<br />
we have to look up to children and learn from them, they mold &amp; filter the polluted adult mind which is filled ego and selfishness.<br />
we adults only pass on this to the next generation, and leave the young people at the edge.</p>
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		<title>By: Kali Maruti</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/11/16/serbia-slovenia-relationship-with-the-roma-people/comment-page-2/#comment-1378621</link>
		<dc:creator>Kali Maruti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rromas should back their identity is by returning to their cultural and moral values.They should learn more about their forefathers.It is unfortunate that always we HINDUS suffer all over the world due to tolerence.We love u dear rromas from india the cradle of human civilization</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rromas should back their identity is by returning to their cultural and moral values.They should learn more about their forefathers.It is unfortunate that always we HINDUS suffer all over the world due to tolerence.We love u dear rromas from india the cradle of human civilization</p>
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		<title>By: rom</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/11/16/serbia-slovenia-relationship-with-the-roma-people/comment-page-2/#comment-1212935</link>
		<dc:creator>rom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 21:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anyway guys you COULD NOT brake our SPIRIT in 500 years and you wont in next 5000 years!because we ARE TOO PROUD TO BE INDIANS!!!  UPRE ROMA AUR UPRE HINDUSTAN</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anyway guys you COULD NOT brake our SPIRIT in 500 years and you wont in next 5000 years!because we ARE TOO PROUD TO BE INDIANS!!!  UPRE ROMA AUR UPRE HINDUSTAN</p>
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		<title>By: rom</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/11/16/serbia-slovenia-relationship-with-the-roma-people/comment-page-2/#comment-1212933</link>
		<dc:creator>rom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 21:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmmm thats all you can say is romas faults and thats it!  there are bad people and good people same with romas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmm thats all you can say is romas faults and thats it!  there are bad people and good people same with romas</p>
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		<title>By: Dalibor Stajikj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dalibor Stajikj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really concerning problem!</description>
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		<title>By: Ashish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 13:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear All,

I am an INDIAN, and I came to know about Roma People recently.
We Indians are a type of people who accept other people the most easily.Even though they may murder and rape our brethen.History of India is testimony to this.
Nevertheless the Roma People who are actually people of Indian Origin are still facing discrimination.
No community is bad or devilish.We may not like even our own brother or father.Stereotyping a community is bad.
All type of people(good and bad ) are there everywhere.Let us understand this and be more tolerant towards the OTHER.We are responsible for our own misfortunes.Others happiness is our happiness,definitely.
Ashish</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear All,</p>
<p>I am an INDIAN, and I came to know about Roma People recently.<br />
We Indians are a type of people who accept other people the most easily.Even though they may murder and rape our brethen.History of India is testimony to this.<br />
Nevertheless the Roma People who are actually people of Indian Origin are still facing discrimination.<br />
No community is bad or devilish.We may not like even our own brother or father.Stereotyping a community is bad.<br />
All type of people(good and bad ) are there everywhere.Let us understand this and be more tolerant towards the OTHER.We are responsible for our own misfortunes.Others happiness is our happiness,definitely.<br />
Ashish</p>
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		<title>By: indian1</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/11/16/serbia-slovenia-relationship-with-the-roma-people/comment-page-1/#comment-1190358</link>
		<dc:creator>indian1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont understand, why people say culturally foreigners are dirty? I dont think, any culture is dirty.Roma people need to have reservation in European states and should be uplifted more than normal european citizens.Roma people are ostracized in every country, the only way is to grant them reservation according to their population size. Indian society is realizing for the mistake it did 3000 years ago, Now the oppressed people in india, have a reservation as a right.All the oppressed communities in the world unite for a common cause.As said, Indian government should support the cause of Roma people and probably grant them status of Perons of India origin(PIO) status and relocate them to india, if possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont understand, why people say culturally foreigners are dirty? I dont think, any culture is dirty.Roma people need to have reservation in European states and should be uplifted more than normal european citizens.Roma people are ostracized in every country, the only way is to grant them reservation according to their population size. Indian society is realizing for the mistake it did 3000 years ago, Now the oppressed people in india, have a reservation as a right.All the oppressed communities in the world unite for a common cause.As said, Indian government should support the cause of Roma people and probably grant them status of Perons of India origin(PIO) status and relocate them to india, if possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Nini</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/11/16/serbia-slovenia-relationship-with-the-roma-people/comment-page-1/#comment-992413</link>
		<dc:creator>Nini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m quite fed up with Roma using their identity as a ticket to get out of trouble. Most Roma live in Prekmurje and Dolenjska. In Prekmurje there&#039;s no trouble, people get along, while Dolenjska is boiling (Ambrus is in Dol.). Why is that? 

Well in Prekmurje the local authority showed a lot of patience and the Roma made an effort to license their buildings, make their surroundings not littered with trash and send their children to school, so they can get educated in order to be qualified for a legal job.
But in Dolenjska people are somewhat less patient and also the Roma aren&#039;t making the effort to blend in. What I want to say is, that Roma aren&#039;t rejected on principle, but manly because of their actions.

Some Roma complain there is no other way than stealing and other wrongdoing becouse they can&#039;t get a job since they are Roma, but there is plenty of Slovenians unemployed because they don&#039;t qualify (or they do but there simply isn&#039;t any job availible to them), so why would anyone hire a Roma who didn&#039;t even finish the elementary school (which is free and obligatory) and can hardly read.
Most of their houses are illegaly built and remain so for decades. Police is obvlivious to the complaints of their neighbours (and certaintly was in the case of Ambrus) and usually do nothing to resolve tefths, shoting and littering. They usually tap into the electriciy which then has to be paid by their neighbours and don&#039;t have a sewage which can be a major problem in Dolenjska since it&#039;s a karst region and the water gets polluted easily. There are more complicated issues at hands then this, but the point is that Slovenians aren&#039;t opposing Roma because of the culture or language or something like that, but because of the problems they cause to the community. And they can actualy get away with it, because if they are persecuted in any way, they say people are intolerant since they&#039;re Roma. 
But there are also those Roma who work hard, but can&#039;t get through because of the bad image. This is not a simple white or black problem, but more like a real mess.
And as usual the loud are unfourtunately also those who cast the bad image on the whole group.
And since the govermment doesn&#039;t do much about it, it is no wonder that people in time reach the boiling point.
This is not a simple problem of tolerence, but a much more complex issue which can&#039;t be solved easily or fast.

Also I do not appreciate how the story was blown out of proportions</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m quite fed up with Roma using their identity as a ticket to get out of trouble. Most Roma live in Prekmurje and Dolenjska. In Prekmurje there&#8217;s no trouble, people get along, while Dolenjska is boiling (Ambrus is in Dol.). Why is that? </p>
<p>Well in Prekmurje the local authority showed a lot of patience and the Roma made an effort to license their buildings, make their surroundings not littered with trash and send their children to school, so they can get educated in order to be qualified for a legal job.<br />
But in Dolenjska people are somewhat less patient and also the Roma aren&#8217;t making the effort to blend in. What I want to say is, that Roma aren&#8217;t rejected on principle, but manly because of their actions.</p>
<p>Some Roma complain there is no other way than stealing and other wrongdoing becouse they can&#8217;t get a job since they are Roma, but there is plenty of Slovenians unemployed because they don&#8217;t qualify (or they do but there simply isn&#8217;t any job availible to them), so why would anyone hire a Roma who didn&#8217;t even finish the elementary school (which is free and obligatory) and can hardly read.<br />
Most of their houses are illegaly built and remain so for decades. Police is obvlivious to the complaints of their neighbours (and certaintly was in the case of Ambrus) and usually do nothing to resolve tefths, shoting and littering. They usually tap into the electriciy which then has to be paid by their neighbours and don&#8217;t have a sewage which can be a major problem in Dolenjska since it&#8217;s a karst region and the water gets polluted easily. There are more complicated issues at hands then this, but the point is that Slovenians aren&#8217;t opposing Roma because of the culture or language or something like that, but because of the problems they cause to the community. And they can actualy get away with it, because if they are persecuted in any way, they say people are intolerant since they&#8217;re Roma.<br />
But there are also those Roma who work hard, but can&#8217;t get through because of the bad image. This is not a simple white or black problem, but more like a real mess.<br />
And as usual the loud are unfourtunately also those who cast the bad image on the whole group.<br />
And since the govermment doesn&#8217;t do much about it, it is no wonder that people in time reach the boiling point.<br />
This is not a simple problem of tolerence, but a much more complex issue which can&#8217;t be solved easily or fast.</p>
<p>Also I do not appreciate how the story was blown out of proportions</p>
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		<title>By: indian</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/11/16/serbia-slovenia-relationship-with-the-roma-people/comment-page-1/#comment-540777</link>
		<dc:creator>indian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2006 04:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

I am an indian and feel a deep sense of similarity and keenship with the gypsies/roma as they are called. Indian government is not fighting for their rights today which is deplorable anyways.

Coming to your point of europe being overwhelmed by gypsies, what will you do anyways with your falling birth rates and aging populations. You any way have to bring in indian immigrants who are young and talented. Then we indians will team up with out gypsy blood brothers and rule over your counties</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I am an indian and feel a deep sense of similarity and keenship with the gypsies/roma as they are called. Indian government is not fighting for their rights today which is deplorable anyways.</p>
<p>Coming to your point of europe being overwhelmed by gypsies, what will you do anyways with your falling birth rates and aging populations. You any way have to bring in indian immigrants who are young and talented. Then we indians will team up with out gypsy blood brothers and rule over your counties</p>
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		<title>By: Tine</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/11/16/serbia-slovenia-relationship-with-the-roma-people/comment-page-1/#comment-524916</link>
		<dc:creator>Tine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 01:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People of other races are not welcomed in Slovenia and in Europe in general, once white people will realize how this sick multiracial propaganda misguided them to loss their racial identity culture and land its going to be a real mayhem we are white and we are mad!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People of other races are not welcomed in Slovenia and in Europe in general, once white people will realize how this sick multiracial propaganda misguided them to loss their racial identity culture and land its going to be a real mayhem we are white and we are mad!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/11/16/serbia-slovenia-relationship-with-the-roma-people/comment-page-1/#comment-426775</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 16:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Slovenia there are more scary stories related to mob activities! Not long ago an HIV infected man was prevented from returning home by his neighbours in the city of Slovenska Bistrica. He was virtually chased from his own residence. Yes, Slovenians are very tolerant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Slovenia there are more scary stories related to mob activities! Not long ago an HIV infected man was prevented from returning home by his neighbours in the city of Slovenska Bistrica. He was virtually chased from his own residence. Yes, Slovenians are very tolerant.</p>
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		<title>By: pengovsky</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/11/16/serbia-slovenia-relationship-with-the-roma-people/comment-page-1/#comment-410216</link>
		<dc:creator>pengovsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunatelly I have to agree with Ljubisa&#039;s assesment of the situation and the author of the original post. The whole thing is scarry. Perhaps &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.pengovsky.com/2006/11/18/endlosung/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; will testify to the fact that the anti-Roma sentiment hasn&#039;t spread &lt;b&gt;throughout&lt;/b&gt; Slovenia. Yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunatelly I have to agree with Ljubisa&#8217;s assesment of the situation and the author of the original post. The whole thing is scarry. Perhaps <a HREF="http://www.pengovsky.com/2006/11/18/endlosung/" rel="nofollow">this</a> will testify to the fact that the anti-Roma sentiment hasn&#8217;t spread <b>throughout</b> Slovenia. Yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Kali</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/11/16/serbia-slovenia-relationship-with-the-roma-people/comment-page-1/#comment-409848</link>
		<dc:creator>Kali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Slovenia and a lot of informations that came from media about Gypsies and Ambrus are wrong. 
1st-the local people didn&#039;t threaten Roma them with guns. No weapons were used. They were only protesting!!! So the whole &quot;lynch&quot; reports are overrated. 
2nd-the man that was attacked was blocked with 5 CARS (and only 1 person can&#039;t drive 5 cars in the same time). The Slovenian was in his car WITH his son when they were ambushed. The son barely escaped - he was shot at, but luckilly the bullet missed him and his father was brutally beaten - he is probably in hospital fighting for his life but we don&#039;t know that since the media doesn&#039;t report nothing about him. 
3rd-The Strojan Gypsy family was terorrising local people. One older lady was RAPED. Numerous other villagers were extorted for money, threatend. The gypsies even STOLE A POLICE CAR ONCE!!!!and the cops were forced to walk back to the police station miles away. On more then one ocasion the police found guns, drugs, stolen cars...in Strojan&#039;s &quot;home&quot; (illegaly build house on an area that it&#039;s not legal to build).

Strojan&#039;s are not some innocent, pour gypsy family. I don&#039;t feel sorry for them. Not for criminals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Slovenia and a lot of informations that came from media about Gypsies and Ambrus are wrong.<br />
1st-the local people didn&#8217;t threaten Roma them with guns. No weapons were used. They were only protesting!!! So the whole &#8220;lynch&#8221; reports are overrated.<br />
2nd-the man that was attacked was blocked with 5 CARS (and only 1 person can&#8217;t drive 5 cars in the same time). The Slovenian was in his car WITH his son when they were ambushed. The son barely escaped &#8211; he was shot at, but luckilly the bullet missed him and his father was brutally beaten &#8211; he is probably in hospital fighting for his life but we don&#8217;t know that since the media doesn&#8217;t report nothing about him.<br />
3rd-The Strojan Gypsy family was terorrising local people. One older lady was RAPED. Numerous other villagers were extorted for money, threatend. The gypsies even STOLE A POLICE CAR ONCE!!!!and the cops were forced to walk back to the police station miles away. On more then one ocasion the police found guns, drugs, stolen cars&#8230;in Strojan&#8217;s &#8220;home&#8221; (illegaly build house on an area that it&#8217;s not legal to build).</p>
<p>Strojan&#8217;s are not some innocent, pour gypsy family. I don&#8217;t feel sorry for them. Not for criminals.</p>
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		<title>By: Janez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 19:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am tired of hearing about Indian Gypsies rights how would Europens be treated if we moved to India. Your a foreinger, dirty culturaly. Whats next bring more Chinese and turn it in a land of banna people like America.Slovenia and Croatia just got its independince  now will loses it to the Anglo Judasium Washington goverment. Europe should bring back the Iron Curtain but this time will put in the English Channel and put europes refugees in Briian since their imperlism destroyed the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am tired of hearing about Indian Gypsies rights how would Europens be treated if we moved to India. Your a foreinger, dirty culturaly. Whats next bring more Chinese and turn it in a land of banna people like America.Slovenia and Croatia just got its independince  now will loses it to the Anglo Judasium Washington goverment. Europe should bring back the Iron Curtain but this time will put in the English Channel and put europes refugees in Briian since their imperlism destroyed the world.</p>
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