Comments on: Russia: The Second Blog War http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/10/21/russia-the-second-blog-war/ The world is talking. Are you listening? Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:04:52 -0500 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: nathanr|ca » Russian LiveJournal DDoS-attacked http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/10/21/russia-the-second-blog-war/comment-page-3/#comment-1467710 nathanr|ca » Russian LiveJournal DDoS-attacked Thu, 05 Jun 2008 10:46:37 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2006/10/21/russia-the-second-blog-war/#comment-1467710 [...] Cyrillic users are in distress again: for the past week or so, Russian bloggers have been experiencing problems when they tried to post [...] [...] Cyrillic users are in distress again: for the past week or so, Russian bloggers have been experiencing problems when they tried to post [...]

]]> By: Daughter of the Ring of Fire - Another Verse in LJ’s Epic of Fail http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/10/21/russia-the-second-blog-war/comment-page-3/#comment-1212803 Daughter of the Ring of Fire - Another Verse in LJ’s Epic of Fail Tue, 04 Dec 2007 11:06:51 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2006/10/21/russia-the-second-blog-war/#comment-1212803 [...] My old stomping grounds over at Livejournal have been sold to Sup-Fabrik, a company financed by a Russian oligarch with purported ties to Putin. In 2006, when Six Apart made a licensing agreement for the Cyrillic portion of the site with this company, Russian language bloggers, who are the second largest language group on LJ, had major concerns about censorship and invasion of privacy. [...] [...] My old stomping grounds over at Livejournal have been sold to Sup-Fabrik, a company financed by a Russian oligarch with purported ties to Putin. In 2006, when Six Apart made a licensing agreement for the Cyrillic portion of the site with this company, Russian language bloggers, who are the second largest language group on LJ, had major concerns about censorship and invasion of privacy. [...]

]]> By: Dodo http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/10/21/russia-the-second-blog-war/comment-page-3/#comment-1212654 Dodo Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:02:42 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2006/10/21/russia-the-second-blog-war/#comment-1212654 So what will you say now, mazefakers? So what will you say now, mazefakers?

]]> By: Raj http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/10/21/russia-the-second-blog-war/comment-page-3/#comment-1186251 Raj Sun, 24 Jun 2007 23:32:07 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2006/10/21/russia-the-second-blog-war/#comment-1186251 Does England need assistance from India to better maintain America and Oceania? Maybe China can help England. I think Africa cut a few deals with the Europeans. How is Russia going to maintain that much terroritory? We should follow the rules of Nature. Does England need assistance from India to better maintain America and Oceania? Maybe China can help England. I think Africa cut a few deals with the Europeans. How is Russia going to maintain that much terroritory?

We should follow the rules of Nature.

]]> By: Global Voices Online » Russia: LiveJournal DDoS-Attacked http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/10/21/russia-the-second-blog-war/comment-page-3/#comment-1183951 Global Voices Online » Russia: LiveJournal DDoS-Attacked Tue, 05 Jun 2007 22:58:53 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2006/10/21/russia-the-second-blog-war/#comment-1183951 [...] Cyrillic users are in distress again: for the past week or so, Russian bloggers have been experiencing problems when they tried to post [...] [...] Cyrillic users are in distress again: for the past week or so, Russian bloggers have been experiencing problems when they tried to post [...]

]]> By: Global Voices Online » Blog Archive » Russia: Moscow’s (In)Accessibility http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/10/21/russia-the-second-blog-war/comment-page-3/#comment-328637 Global Voices Online » Blog Archive » Russia: Moscow’s (In)Accessibility Fri, 03 Nov 2006 23:08:25 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2006/10/21/russia-the-second-blog-war/#comment-328637 [...] The hype surrounding the Russian blogosphere’s fate has subsided, and the collective attention has shifted to the fate of tomorrow’s Russian March. [...] [...] The hype surrounding the Russian blogosphere’s fate has subsided, and the collective attention has shifted to the fate of tomorrow’s Russian March. [...]

]]> By: Void http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/10/21/russia-the-second-blog-war/comment-page-2/#comment-319904 Void Sun, 29 Oct 2006 09:28:28 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2006/10/21/russia-the-second-blog-war/#comment-319904 I would only like to comment that most of the distressed users are in no way antisemitic and are concerned not with the nationality of some corporate persona (after all, that would be downright silly - no significant number of LJ was ever concerned with national origins of Six Appart management). I am not a nationalist and was NEVER concerned with anyone's cultural or national origins. However, I strongly diaprove of SUP affair. You see, the very thought that any entity that is subject to Russian laws and the (abyssmally, terrybly) corrupt Russian courts might, even THEORETICALY, gain access to my LJ, is extremely distressive to me. Same concerns for the new Russian Abuse Team. I totaly disaprove of it because this entity may be manipulated with relative ease to supress free speech, which is not fairly uncommon in Russia. I would only like to comment that most of the distressed users are in no way antisemitic and are concerned not with the nationality of some corporate persona (after all, that would be downright silly – no significant number of LJ was ever concerned with national origins of Six Appart management). I am not a nationalist and was NEVER concerned with anyone’s cultural or national origins.

However, I strongly diaprove of SUP affair. You see, the very thought that any entity that is subject to Russian laws and the (abyssmally, terrybly) corrupt Russian courts might, even THEORETICALY, gain access to my LJ, is extremely distressive to me.
Same concerns for the new Russian Abuse Team. I totaly disaprove of it because this entity may be manipulated with relative ease to supress free speech, which is not fairly uncommon in Russia.

]]> By: Global Voices Online » Blog Archive » Russia: LJ and Politics http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/10/21/russia-the-second-blog-war/comment-page-2/#comment-319500 Global Voices Online » Blog Archive » Russia: LJ and Politics Sat, 28 Oct 2006 23:55:51 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2006/10/21/russia-the-second-blog-war/#comment-319500 [...] Russian bloggers, unlike the world media, have been all over the controversial Six Apart-Sup deal in the past few weeks - and some, including Maxim Kononenko (LJ user mrparker, creator of Vladimir Vladimirovich™ spoofs on Vladimir Putin), have also been monitoring what little is being written outside Russia. Never too congenial, Kononenko passed an extremely harsh judgment (RUS) on Morozov’s piece - and Morozov provided a translation: I’m honoured: Mr Parker, one of the most odious figures on the Russian blogosphere, has just awarded with “prize of the month” for “the most clinical idiotism, which can only be reached in analytic journalism”. [...] [...] Russian bloggers, unlike the world media, have been all over the controversial Six Apart-Sup deal in the past few weeks – and some, including Maxim Kononenko (LJ user mrparker, creator of Vladimir Vladimirovich™ spoofs on Vladimir Putin), have also been monitoring what little is being written outside Russia. Never too congenial, Kononenko passed an extremely harsh judgment (RUS) on Morozov’s piece – and Morozov provided a translation: I’m honoured: Mr Parker, one of the most odious figures on the Russian blogosphere, has just awarded with “prize of the month” for “the most clinical idiotism, which can only be reached in analytic journalism”. [...]

]]> By: Global Voices Online » Blog Archive » Russia: Thoughts on LiveJournal/ZheZhe http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/10/21/russia-the-second-blog-war/comment-page-2/#comment-315827 Global Voices Online » Blog Archive » Russia: Thoughts on LiveJournal/ZheZhe Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:51:22 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2006/10/21/russia-the-second-blog-war/#comment-315827 [...] The Second Blog War continues in Russia. [...] [...] The Second Blog War continues in Russia. [...]

]]> By: …My heart’s in Accra » Turmoil in the ZheZhe http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/10/21/russia-the-second-blog-war/comment-page-2/#comment-315354 …My heart’s in Accra » Turmoil in the ZheZhe Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:04:35 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2006/10/21/russia-the-second-blog-war/#comment-315354 [...] The Russian blogosphere has been in turmoil for the last week with the news that LiveJournal, the site used most frequently by Russian-language bloggers, was partnering with Russian internet company Sup. Sup is owned by Aleksandr Mamut, a well-connected oligarch and political insider. While there’s no indication from Sup or SixApart, which owns LiveJournal, that the partnership will give Russian authorities access to the personal data of LiveJournal users - indeed, GV’s Veronica Kholkhova reports that SixApart has assured users this won’t happen - many bloggers are moving their writing off the LiveJournal servers or taking other steps to ensure that their content won’t be monitored by Sup’s “abuse team”. [...] [...] The Russian blogosphere has been in turmoil for the last week with the news that LiveJournal, the site used most frequently by Russian-language bloggers, was partnering with Russian internet company Sup. Sup is owned by Aleksandr Mamut, a well-connected oligarch and political insider. While there’s no indication from Sup or SixApart, which owns LiveJournal, that the partnership will give Russian authorities access to the personal data of LiveJournal users – indeed, GV’s Veronica Kholkhova reports that SixApart has assured users this won’t happen – many bloggers are moving their writing off the LiveJournal servers or taking other steps to ensure that their content won’t be monitored by Sup’s “abuse team”. [...]

]]> By: Ven http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/10/21/russia-the-second-blog-war/comment-page-2/#comment-313411 Ven Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:32:27 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2006/10/21/russia-the-second-blog-war/#comment-313411 [...] GVO: Russia: The Second Blog War [...] [...] GVO: Russia: The Second Blog War [...]

]]> By: …My heart’s in Accra » links for 2006-10-24 http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/10/21/russia-the-second-blog-war/comment-page-2/#comment-313089 …My heart’s in Accra » links for 2006-10-24 Tue, 24 Oct 2006 04:22:18 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2006/10/21/russia-the-second-blog-war/#comment-313089 [...] Global Voices Online � Blog Archive � Russia: The Second Blog War The Russian blogosphere - the ZheZhe - goes nuts as LiveJournal licenses its software and brand to a company with connections to the Putin government (tags: russia globalvoices freespeech blogs) [...] [...] Global Voices Online � Blog Archive � Russia: The Second Blog War The Russian blogosphere – the ZheZhe – goes nuts as LiveJournal licenses its software and brand to a company with connections to the Putin government (tags: russia globalvoices freespeech blogs) [...]

]]> By: Wally Shedd http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/10/21/russia-the-second-blog-war/comment-page-2/#comment-312712 Wally Shedd Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:13:48 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2006/10/21/russia-the-second-blog-war/#comment-312712 I think it is just a silly flash mob mentality. How long have there been Russian web servers for various internet service providers? Are those Russian ISPs and webhosting companies being asked by the FSB or some other authority to cough up personal information? If not, then how is LJ being owned by a Russian company a threat to ZheZhe? Finally, do these people really think that the FSB isn't capable of monitoring what is being said, and by whom - with or without a Russian company owning LJ? There are any number of site tracking programs that collect ISPs of people who visit any particular website - I'm sure the FSB is at least as sophisticated as that, if they really wished to track what people are discussing or collect personal information. This is true regardless of where the server is located or who owns the company. From what I originally read, much of this started out as an anti-semetic reaction among certain ZheZhe users and then expanded into a general negative reaction, without any sensible basis in facts or logic. It is very naive to presume that you have any real degree of privacy on the internet, regardless of who owns the servers or webservice. I think it is just a silly flash mob mentality.

How long have there been Russian web servers for various internet service providers?

Are those Russian ISPs and webhosting companies being asked by the FSB or some other authority to cough up personal information?

If not, then how is LJ being owned by a Russian company a threat to ZheZhe?

Finally, do these people really think that the FSB isn’t capable of monitoring what is being said, and by whom – with or without a Russian company owning LJ? There are any number of site tracking programs that collect ISPs of people who visit any particular website – I’m sure the FSB is at least as sophisticated as that, if they really wished to track what people are discussing or collect personal information. This is true regardless of where the server is located or who owns the company.

From what I originally read, much of this started out as an anti-semetic reaction among certain ZheZhe users and then expanded into a general negative reaction, without any sensible basis in facts or logic.

It is very naive to presume that you have any real degree of privacy on the internet, regardless of who owns the servers or webservice.

]]> By: Trace http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/10/21/russia-the-second-blog-war/comment-page-2/#comment-311951 Trace Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:46:11 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2006/10/21/russia-the-second-blog-war/#comment-311951 I don't know why there is so much buzz around this LJ and Sup agreement... Apart from JJ there are also <a href="http://www.blogmania.ru/" rel="nofollow">Blogmania</a> blogs based on Typepad platform - one of the Sixapart platforms that stays untouched by any contracts and at the same time has its russian version.... As far as I know these blogs are also fo free... and seems like I can easily transfer my JJ account to platform anytime(<a href="http://www.blogmania.ru/" rel="nofollow">Как сохранять и экспортировать livejournal?</a>)... So it seems that all these discussions are a little bit exaggerated ;) I don’t know why there is so much buzz around this LJ and Sup agreement… Apart from JJ there are also Blogmania blogs based on Typepad platform – one of the Sixapart platforms that stays untouched by any contracts and at the same time has its russian version…. As far as I know these blogs are also fo free… and seems like I can easily transfer my JJ account to platform anytime(Как сохранять и экспортировать livejournal?)… So it seems that all these discussions are a little bit exaggerated ;)

]]> By: Michael http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/10/21/russia-the-second-blog-war/comment-page-2/#comment-311886 Michael Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:36:49 +0000 http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/2006/10/21/russia-the-second-blog-war/#comment-311886 This deal doesn't include only Russia citizens. Worst, it is including any journal of russian-speaking and writing author, from any country, like USA, Israel, Ukraina, Belorussia, etc... This is worst. Many russian speaking livejournal authors think, this is out of any ethic, to take their journals to control inside country, they are not belonging, and even they don't want to belong. Their feeling about Russia are awfull, so it was reason of emigration. And these feeling are return, when they heard, that their russian speaking community was sold to somebody who have connections to goverment, or ever. Russia is too far for real democracy. But who cares. Deal is deal, money on first place. This deal doesn’t include only Russia citizens. Worst, it is including any journal of russian-speaking and writing author, from any country, like USA, Israel, Ukraina, Belorussia, etc… This is worst. Many russian speaking livejournal authors think, this is out of any ethic, to take their journals to control inside country, they are not belonging, and even they don’t want to belong. Their feeling about Russia are awfull, so it was reason of emigration. And these feeling are return, when they heard, that their russian speaking community was sold to somebody who have connections to goverment, or ever. Russia is too far for real democracy. But who cares. Deal is deal, money on first place.

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