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		<title>By: jim mccormack</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/06/02/mongolian-mining-and-the-blogs/comment-page-2/#comment-1794388</link>
		<dc:creator>jim mccormack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 19:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>can anyone explain if and when Mongolia will decide the final tax position on the Ivanhoe mning licenses?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can anyone explain if and when Mongolia will decide the final tax position on the Ivanhoe mning licenses?</p>
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		<title>By: jim mccormack</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/06/02/mongolian-mining-and-the-blogs/comment-page-2/#comment-1794355</link>
		<dc:creator>jim mccormack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 15:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>last year Australia decided to up their agreed tax on mining gold etc. The people couldn&#039;t  fathom their governments &#039;bait-and-switch&#039; on an existing contract. They voted the PM out and elected a new govt. who continued the existing contract. This is not to say that new contracts cannot change the tax but existing contracted laws should remain as negotiated unless agreed by all parties.phall boannex</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>last year Australia decided to up their agreed tax on mining gold etc. The people couldn&#8217;t  fathom their governments &#8216;bait-and-switch&#8217; on an existing contract. They voted the PM out and elected a new govt. who continued the existing contract. This is not to say that new contracts cannot change the tax but existing contracted laws should remain as negotiated unless agreed by all parties.phall boannex</p>
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		<title>By: paavo</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/06/02/mongolian-mining-and-the-blogs/comment-page-1/#comment-1512188</link>
		<dc:creator>paavo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 05:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mandukhai,

The profits are not &quot;free&quot;. They are earned and are negotiated with your government. 

The question for investors is really simple. Are you people trustworthy, do your contracts mean anything, or are you a bunch of bait-and-switchers? Liars in other words?

YOUR government wanted this investment, and Ivanhoe were heroes when they stayed as everyone else left.

You folks are playing a silly game. Capital can be moved easily, and the money that doesn&#039;t flow to Mongolia because of dumb laws and changing the rules of the game midway through is difficult to calculate. 

If it is Chinese and Russian companies you want, then have a it, and good luck. 

As for the environmental destruction????????? How about a few photos. Google Earth shows the operation is in barren, unpopulated, hard to reach places, and you can&#039;t see anything except a few structures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mandukhai,</p>
<p>The profits are not &#8220;free&#8221;. They are earned and are negotiated with your government. </p>
<p>The question for investors is really simple. Are you people trustworthy, do your contracts mean anything, or are you a bunch of bait-and-switchers? Liars in other words?</p>
<p>YOUR government wanted this investment, and Ivanhoe were heroes when they stayed as everyone else left.</p>
<p>You folks are playing a silly game. Capital can be moved easily, and the money that doesn&#8217;t flow to Mongolia because of dumb laws and changing the rules of the game midway through is difficult to calculate. </p>
<p>If it is Chinese and Russian companies you want, then have a it, and good luck. </p>
<p>As for the environmental destruction????????? How about a few photos. Google Earth shows the operation is in barren, unpopulated, hard to reach places, and you can&#8217;t see anything except a few structures.</p>
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		<title>By: Zul</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/06/02/mongolian-mining-and-the-blogs/comment-page-1/#comment-1511959</link>
		<dc:creator>Zul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We, Mongolians, don&#039;t want to push foreign investments. We just want to find suitable and beneficial way to do. But of course there are too many obstacles and illegal things occuring in our country. For example, Chinese companies treat very badly for our nature. They are poisoning and using very dangerous chemicals on our land. Do you have any idea and suggestions to stop these knids of issues?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We, Mongolians, don&#8217;t want to push foreign investments. We just want to find suitable and beneficial way to do. But of course there are too many obstacles and illegal things occuring in our country. For example, Chinese companies treat very badly for our nature. They are poisoning and using very dangerous chemicals on our land. Do you have any idea and suggestions to stop these knids of issues?</p>
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		<title>By: Mongolia</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/06/02/mongolian-mining-and-the-blogs/comment-page-1/#comment-1510684</link>
		<dc:creator>Mongolia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 03:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave and Paavo,

I don&#039;t understand what you are talking about. Mining is the most primitive type of business. It should be taxed that way when market is favorable. Yes, we want foreign invesmtent and expertise, but not one in mining. If you were from Intel or , we wouldn&#039;t or shouldn&#039;t do this. Think about it. And be careful. We might do even more. I am not threatening you. Just to make sure that we both understand each other and that we really don&#039;t simply want to be a mining country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave and Paavo,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand what you are talking about. Mining is the most primitive type of business. It should be taxed that way when market is favorable. Yes, we want foreign invesmtent and expertise, but not one in mining. If you were from Intel or , we wouldn&#8217;t or shouldn&#8217;t do this. Think about it. And be careful. We might do even more. I am not threatening you. Just to make sure that we both understand each other and that we really don&#8217;t simply want to be a mining country.</p>
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		<title>By: Mongolkhuu</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/06/02/mongolian-mining-and-the-blogs/comment-page-1/#comment-1504880</link>
		<dc:creator>Mongolkhuu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all</description>
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		<title>By: paavo</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/06/02/mongolian-mining-and-the-blogs/comment-page-1/#comment-1479646</link>
		<dc:creator>paavo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 11:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarnai.
Plants will die, but species will not go extinct. 90% of all species have gone... without the aid of man. Mines aren&#039;t nuclear plants that leave Chernobyl type residual effects.... and... 

I am sure your government wanted foreign investment to grow the economy, help build roads and infrastructure, create jobs and EXPERTISE! 

DESTRUCTION! If you want to see what destruction is wrought without modernization, here is one example of the destruction of the environment due to the lack of roads: http://www.ias.ac.in/jbiosci/mar2006/85.pdf

Perhaps you would like the Russians and their eco-friendly ways to invest instead of western companies? That&#039;s fine too, as that is the way of Mr. Market. Just be careful of what you ask or demand.

mandukhai:

Businesses are in business to make a profit. Local labor laws are local labor laws,and wages are relative to the region. You don&#039;t see the rural Polish receiving Los Angeles level wages, so why should you expect London type wages in Mongolia? Price efficiencies are why you have companies moving about. Germany is too expensive, so companies pack up and move to Czech, Poland, Hungary, China or India. American unions have out priced themselves from work, as has the ever increasing minimum wage. Countries and companies learn, adjust and move forward.

For your country to attract foreign investment, you need a stable set of rules. Putting in an arbitrary, non-negotiated penalty on profits does not accomplish this. It freaks the investor out, and as the Market is huge, and opportunities enormous, money will flow aay from Mongolia. If that is what you want... OK.

Will there be government assistance when prices plummet? LOL... we know the answer to that one... it&#039;s called tough darts buddy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarnai.<br />
Plants will die, but species will not go extinct. 90% of all species have gone&#8230; without the aid of man. Mines aren&#8217;t nuclear plants that leave Chernobyl type residual effects&#8230;. and&#8230; </p>
<p>I am sure your government wanted foreign investment to grow the economy, help build roads and infrastructure, create jobs and EXPERTISE! </p>
<p>DESTRUCTION! If you want to see what destruction is wrought without modernization, here is one example of the destruction of the environment due to the lack of roads: <a href="http://www.ias.ac.in/jbiosci/mar2006/85.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ias.ac.in/jbiosci/mar2006/85.pdf</a></p>
<p>Perhaps you would like the Russians and their eco-friendly ways to invest instead of western companies? That&#8217;s fine too, as that is the way of Mr. Market. Just be careful of what you ask or demand.</p>
<p>mandukhai:</p>
<p>Businesses are in business to make a profit. Local labor laws are local labor laws,and wages are relative to the region. You don&#8217;t see the rural Polish receiving Los Angeles level wages, so why should you expect London type wages in Mongolia? Price efficiencies are why you have companies moving about. Germany is too expensive, so companies pack up and move to Czech, Poland, Hungary, China or India. American unions have out priced themselves from work, as has the ever increasing minimum wage. Countries and companies learn, adjust and move forward.</p>
<p>For your country to attract foreign investment, you need a stable set of rules. Putting in an arbitrary, non-negotiated penalty on profits does not accomplish this. It freaks the investor out, and as the Market is huge, and opportunities enormous, money will flow aay from Mongolia. If that is what you want&#8230; OK.</p>
<p>Will there be government assistance when prices plummet? LOL&#8230; we know the answer to that one&#8230; it&#8217;s called tough darts buddy.</p>
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		<title>By: mandukhai</title>
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		<dc:creator>mandukhai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 01:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why don&#039;t you just dig your country? Oh so we invited you to our land just to give our treasures and get our beautiful 
land to be destroyed? and have you make a lot money?for free? just for a little tax? How are you helping us to build our economy? By making money and taking away our minerals? How are you feeding us by the way?Employment? yes 300$ a month? of course that&#039;s a lot of money for people who don&#039;t have decent degree or major.Thank you very much for employing many people and feeding them. By the way how many hours do they work? 10?12?14? Is there a break? And you&#039;re a businessmen talking about fairness? And I&#039;ll tell you why you invested in Mongolia. You thought as if you won a big jackpot didn&#039;t you? Even then you have to play with some and pay the tax. You&#039;re still building your mine? why? it still benefits you. You&#039;re not saying you&#039;re worried about Mongolians are you? Very well then I already know the answers. So long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t you just dig your country? Oh so we invited you to our land just to give our treasures and get our beautiful<br />
land to be destroyed? and have you make a lot money?for free? just for a little tax? How are you helping us to build our economy? By making money and taking away our minerals? How are you feeding us by the way?Employment? yes 300$ a month? of course that&#8217;s a lot of money for people who don&#8217;t have decent degree or major.Thank you very much for employing many people and feeding them. By the way how many hours do they work? 10?12?14? Is there a break? And you&#8217;re a businessmen talking about fairness? And I&#8217;ll tell you why you invested in Mongolia. You thought as if you won a big jackpot didn&#8217;t you? Even then you have to play with some and pay the tax. You&#8217;re still building your mine? why? it still benefits you. You&#8217;re not saying you&#8217;re worried about Mongolians are you? Very well then I already know the answers. So long.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarnai G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarnai G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really do not think we should exhaust our resources beforehand. We do not need to. Our country has only 2.6 million people. If the government supports local projects or increase non profit sectors that would help locals there is no reason we should be buying vegetables, furnitures, clothes from China. Don’t you think??? We should preserve our natural resources, and beauty. Do you know that the DAMAGE IS IRREVERSIBLE to our land. (to any land that is being destroyed)Whole species of flower, vegetation, birds and animals, and our culture (world heritage) will be lost.
Trust me on this. This Damage is irreversible. Please do not r-a-p-e our land. Consequences will be costly. (to us, Mongolians, to our land, to the world heritage, to some species. I’m a Biology major. I see it as an ecosystem. We Mongolians can help each other. I’m starting a nonprofit with my husband &amp; some friends. Please write me at princessfrog9@excite.com Feel free to leave a comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really do not think we should exhaust our resources beforehand. We do not need to. Our country has only 2.6 million people. If the government supports local projects or increase non profit sectors that would help locals there is no reason we should be buying vegetables, furnitures, clothes from China. Don’t you think??? We should preserve our natural resources, and beauty. Do you know that the DAMAGE IS IRREVERSIBLE to our land. (to any land that is being destroyed)Whole species of flower, vegetation, birds and animals, and our culture (world heritage) will be lost.<br />
Trust me on this. This Damage is irreversible. Please do not r-a-p-e our land. Consequences will be costly. (to us, Mongolians, to our land, to the world heritage, to some species. I’m a Biology major. I see it as an ecosystem. We Mongolians can help each other. I’m starting a nonprofit with my husband &amp; some friends. Please write me at <a href="mailto:princessfrog9@excite.com">princessfrog9@excite.com</a> Feel free to leave a comment.</p>
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		<title>By: noraida muhammad</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/06/02/mongolian-mining-and-the-blogs/comment-page-1/#comment-1208300</link>
		<dc:creator>noraida muhammad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi!Can u help me.How can i get Mongolian miners contact number?tq</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi!Can u help me.How can i get Mongolian miners contact number?tq</p>
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		<title>By: Saruul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saruul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sorry to say that Canada does not event have an official embassy in Mongolia. Obviously, this is clear indication on how Canadian government sees Mongolia. In terms of community support they contribute next to nothing. There are only one or two small projects were funded by CIDA. Yet Mongolian mining industry heavily dominated by Canadian companies. I do not see how they are contributing to prosper Mongolia? Maybe by destroying beautiful untouched nature???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry to say that Canada does not event have an official embassy in Mongolia. Obviously, this is clear indication on how Canadian government sees Mongolia. In terms of community support they contribute next to nothing. There are only one or two small projects were funded by CIDA. Yet Mongolian mining industry heavily dominated by Canadian companies. I do not see how they are contributing to prosper Mongolia? Maybe by destroying beautiful untouched nature???</p>
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		<title>By: Dave from Canada</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave from Canada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 22:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Mongolia needs to look at mining industries in other countries before they implement this new law.  No one disputes that the minerals in the ground belong to the country it is in, but at the same time, if you invite foreign companies to invest money and help your people and build your economy, you cannot at the same time, slap the hand that feeds the mouth.

Fairness and stability is paramount in the business world, investors will shy away from areas where there is very high perceived risk - which right now Mongolia is considered one.  Does it make sense to invest $350 million dollars in a business that will tax the profits at 68%?   Well, Ivanhoe mines already did and they are willing to invest another $2B to build out the open pit and underground mines at OT.  In hind sight, Ivanhoe would not have invested the $350M if they knew of this new tax.  

The implications for any future foreign investor is huge, no other foreign company will spend money to bring a project to commercialization.  OT will be mined because of it&#039;s size and high grade ore, but it took a lot of money and time to prove it out.  Something no one will give Mongolia in the future with this overhanging 68% tax.  Try 40% or some other risk sharing formula.  Try a graduated progressive tax approach.  or look at how other countries successfully use the mining industry to generate jobs, money, taxes and other benefits.  

if you do not make the environment conducive to investors, investors will not come.  I hope someone takes a closer look at this otherwise the only mine that will be built in Mongolia for the next 50 years will be Ivanhoe&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Mongolia needs to look at mining industries in other countries before they implement this new law.  No one disputes that the minerals in the ground belong to the country it is in, but at the same time, if you invite foreign companies to invest money and help your people and build your economy, you cannot at the same time, slap the hand that feeds the mouth.</p>
<p>Fairness and stability is paramount in the business world, investors will shy away from areas where there is very high perceived risk &#8211; which right now Mongolia is considered one.  Does it make sense to invest $350 million dollars in a business that will tax the profits at 68%?   Well, Ivanhoe mines already did and they are willing to invest another $2B to build out the open pit and underground mines at OT.  In hind sight, Ivanhoe would not have invested the $350M if they knew of this new tax.  </p>
<p>The implications for any future foreign investor is huge, no other foreign company will spend money to bring a project to commercialization.  OT will be mined because of it&#8217;s size and high grade ore, but it took a lot of money and time to prove it out.  Something no one will give Mongolia in the future with this overhanging 68% tax.  Try 40% or some other risk sharing formula.  Try a graduated progressive tax approach.  or look at how other countries successfully use the mining industry to generate jobs, money, taxes and other benefits.  </p>
<p>if you do not make the environment conducive to investors, investors will not come.  I hope someone takes a closer look at this otherwise the only mine that will be built in Mongolia for the next 50 years will be Ivanhoe&#8217;s.</p>
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