Comments on: Google.cn in China http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/01/25/googlecn-in-china/ The world is talking. Are you listening? Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:14:08 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Adirondack Base Camp » » Alternative Search Engines for the Adirondacks http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/01/25/googlecn-in-china/comment-page-1/#comment-185622 Adirondack Base Camp » » Alternative Search Engines for the Adirondacks Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:11:13 +0000 http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/globalvoices/2006/01/25/googlecn-in-china/#comment-185622 [...] Google.cn in China [...] [...] Google.cn in China [...]

]]> By: Lohan Gunaweera http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/01/25/googlecn-in-china/comment-page-1/#comment-25564 Lohan Gunaweera Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:23:23 +0000 http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/globalvoices/2006/01/25/googlecn-in-china/#comment-25564 Annis: I don't really think this was the best thing they could do. As Rebecca argues at RConversation:::>>> If Google wants to show that it is truly serious about doing the right thing in China it should: 1. Make its "block list" public, and disclose the laws, regulations, and procedures that have required these specific words and URL's to be blocked. We're respecting Chinese law, right? So name the laws you're respecting and how you're respecting them. 2. Fight to prevent Google.com from being blocked, and if it does become completely blocked, consider discontinuing Google.cn. 3. If the Chinese government makes unreasonable requests for search result data, do the same thing you did to the U.S. Department of Justice: just say no. Othewise, you'll be sending the message that you respect U.S. users much more than you respect Chinese users. 4. Establish clear procedures for your local China-based staff: if a government official calls your Beijing office demanding particular information be blocked or handed over, the request must adhere to strict company protocols and procedures so that senior management can rest assured that the request was indeed made and handled in accordance with laws that actually apply to the situation at hand, and whether the information in question even falls under the jusisdiction of those laws - and that any action taken by the company was done in keeping with the company's code of conduct. It's pretty common for low and mid-ranking officials in China to make orders on their own initiative to protect their own personal interests or interests of their friends (or people who bribe them) - these are often orders that don't actually reflect central policy. Major multinational companies should not be rolling over and playing dead every time some cop picks up the phone and says "boo." Right now most information technology companies operating in China don't even defend the rights and interests of their users to the full extent of Chinese law. http://rconversation.blogs.com/rconversation/2006/01/legislating_efr.html Annis: I don’t really think this was the best thing they could do. As Rebecca argues at RConversation:::>>>

If Google wants to show that it is truly serious about doing the right thing in China it should:

1. Make its “block list” public, and disclose the laws, regulations, and procedures that have required these specific words and URL’s to be blocked. We’re respecting Chinese law, right? So name the laws you’re respecting and how you’re respecting them.

2. Fight to prevent Google.com from being blocked, and if it does become completely blocked, consider discontinuing Google.cn.

3. If the Chinese government makes unreasonable requests for search result data, do the same thing you did to the U.S. Department of Justice: just say no. Othewise, you’ll be sending the message that you respect U.S. users much more than you respect Chinese users.

4. Establish clear procedures for your local China-based staff: if a government official calls your Beijing office demanding particular information be blocked or handed over, the request must adhere to strict company protocols and procedures so that senior management can rest assured that the request was indeed made and handled in accordance with laws that actually apply to the situation at hand, and whether the information in question even falls under the jusisdiction of those laws – and that any action taken by the company was done in keeping with the company’s code of conduct. It’s pretty common for low and mid-ranking officials in China to make orders on their own initiative to protect their own personal interests or interests of their friends (or people who bribe them) – these are often orders that don’t actually reflect central policy. Major multinational companies should not be rolling over and playing dead every time some cop picks up the phone and says “boo.” Right now most information technology companies operating in China don’t even defend the rights and interests of their users to the full extent of Chinese law.

http://rconversation.blogs.com/rconversation/2006/01/legislating_efr.html

]]> By: Frank Dai http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/01/25/googlecn-in-china/comment-page-1/#comment-23564 Frank Dai Fri, 27 Jan 2006 02:28:13 +0000 http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/globalvoices/2006/01/25/googlecn-in-china/#comment-23564 Hi Nic: The censor machine was simply not very sensitive at English lauguage pages. So if you are searching for "June4th" in Chinese(or "六四" you can try this word by copying the characters into the search box), you will almost see no infomation that the govenment don't permit. Hi Nic:
The censor machine was simply not very sensitive at English lauguage pages.
So if you are searching for “June4th” in Chinese(or “六四” you can try this word by copying the characters into the search box), you will almost see no infomation that the govenment don’t permit.

]]> By: Annis http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/01/25/googlecn-in-china/comment-page-1/#comment-23536 Annis Fri, 27 Jan 2006 01:42:09 +0000 http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/globalvoices/2006/01/25/googlecn-in-china/#comment-23536 Yeah, it's a shame, but it was the best that Googl could do. I hope that Goole could gradually eliminate that kind of censorship as Chinese people are trying to democratize China more Yeah, it’s a shame, but it was the best that Googl could do.
I hope that Goole could gradually eliminate that kind of censorship as Chinese people are trying to democratize China more

]]> By: Nic Fulton http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/01/25/googlecn-in-china/comment-page-1/#comment-23415 Nic Fulton Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:13:21 +0000 http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/globalvoices/2006/01/25/googlecn-in-china/#comment-23415 Do you know if this filtering is true for IP addresses that appear to arrive at the site from outside of China? I searched for June 4th and the first result was title "JUNE 4th MASSACRE..." This is on a site called UglyChinese.org. Further down the page a 64memo and others. If they are filtering it is clearly only very offensive stuff. I am no expert on the events, so perhaps the offensive stuff is some other truth (or lies). Do you know if this filtering is true for IP addresses that appear to arrive at the site from outside of China? I searched for June 4th and the first result was title “JUNE 4th MASSACRE…” This is on a site called UglyChinese.org. Further down the page a 64memo and others. If they are filtering it is clearly only very offensive stuff. I am no expert on the events, so perhaps the offensive stuff is some other truth (or lies).

]]> By: Robert Swipe http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/01/25/googlecn-in-china/comment-page-1/#comment-23292 Robert Swipe Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:21:15 +0000 http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/globalvoices/2006/01/25/googlecn-in-china/#comment-23292 Hi, We had no problems with the Chinese State censors when they asked us to submit our enormously popular posts to them for scrutiny so they could decide whether they were appropriate for the rest of the web-community in China to read. Any suggestions they made were always considered and - in some cases - actually improved the journalistic quality of our content. Draw your own conclusions: http://rswipe.blogspot.com/2006/01/swipe-show-first-western-blog-to-break.html Cheers, Bob Hi,

We had no problems with the Chinese State censors when they asked us to submit our enormously popular posts to them for scrutiny so they could decide whether they were appropriate for the rest of the web-community in China to read. Any suggestions they made were always considered and – in some cases – actually improved the journalistic quality of our content. Draw your own conclusions:

http://rswipe.blogspot.com/2006/01/swipe-show-first-western-blog-to-break.html

Cheers,

Bob

]]> By: Frank Dai http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/01/25/googlecn-in-china/comment-page-1/#comment-23284 Frank Dai Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:15:18 +0000 http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/globalvoices/2006/01/25/googlecn-in-china/#comment-23284 You are welcomed, Joel You are welcomed, Joel

]]> By: Jose Manuel Tesoro http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/01/25/googlecn-in-china/comment-page-1/#comment-23282 Jose Manuel Tesoro Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:06:54 +0000 http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/globalvoices/2006/01/25/googlecn-in-china/#comment-23282 Thanks, Frank, for the update. Thanks, Frank, for the update.

]]> By: SmartChristian.com » Blog Archive » http://globalvoicesonline.org/2006/01/25/googlecn-in-china/comment-page-1/#comment-23279 SmartChristian.com » Blog Archive » Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:41:41 +0000 http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/globalvoices/2006/01/25/googlecn-in-china/#comment-23279 [...] GOOGLE in China. Good and bad. [...] [...] GOOGLE in China. Good and bad. [...]

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