Comments on: Warning: Yahoo! won't protect you. http://globalvoicesonline.org/2005/09/06/warning-yahoo-wont-protect-you/ The world is talking. Are you listening? Fri, 25 May 2012 15:09:37 -0400 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: earleyedition.com » Blog Archive » Looking for evidence of how your country brutally deals with anyone who dares question the regime? Don’t use Google. http://globalvoicesonline.org/2005/09/06/warning-yahoo-wont-protect-you/comment-page-2/#comment-24746 earleyedition.com » Blog Archive » Looking for evidence of how your country brutally deals with anyone who dares question the regime? Don’t use Google. Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:45:54 +0000 http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/globalvoices/?p=1825#comment-24746 [...] The other online giants, Microsoft and Yahoo, have been criticised for their stance on not only search results but also bloggers (such as myself) who have either been using their blog or web-hosting services. In one case a journalist was identified to Chinese authorities by Yahoo by linking his email account to the IP address of his personal computer. In another Microsoft pulled a Chinese blog that was critical of the government. What does Google and search results have to do with bloggers, Microsoft or Yahoo? Much of China’s upper and middle class, or more importantly students, intellectuals, artists and the ‘educated’ classes, have access to and use the internet to get their news and information. Google (also from first link) justifies restricting their access to that news and information by saying: Google users in China today struggle with a service that, to be blunt, isn’t very good. […] Filtering our search results clearly compromises our mission. Failing to offer Google search at all to a fifth of the world’s population, however, does so far more severely. [...] [...] The other online giants, Microsoft and Yahoo, have been criticised for their stance on not only search results but also bloggers (such as myself) who have either been using their blog or web-hosting services. In one case a journalist was identified to Chinese authorities by Yahoo by linking his email account to the IP address of his personal computer. In another Microsoft pulled a Chinese blog that was critical of the government. What does Google and search results have to do with bloggers, Microsoft or Yahoo? Much of China’s upper and middle class, or more importantly students, intellectuals, artists and the ‘educated’ classes, have access to and use the internet to get their news and information. Google (also from first link) justifies restricting their access to that news and information by saying: Google users in China today struggle with a service that, to be blunt, isn’t very good. […] Filtering our search results clearly compromises our mission. Failing to offer Google search at all to a fifth of the world’s population, however, does so far more severely. [...]

]]> By: Web 2.0 to suffer from United States Department of Justice request? « Tom Raftery’s I.T. views http://globalvoicesonline.org/2005/09/06/warning-yahoo-wont-protect-you/comment-page-2/#comment-22892 Web 2.0 to suffer from United States Department of Justice request? « Tom Raftery’s I.T. views Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:46:29 +0000 http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/globalvoices/?p=1825#comment-22892 [...] What was interesting for me was how the other search engines caved and handed over the data. I was interviewing Bradley Horowitz of Yahoo! the other night for a Podleaders.com podcast and, in the context of Yahoo! having previously provided information to the Chinese Government which resulted in a Chinese journalist being jailed for 10 years, I specifically asked him: If this had happened in the US would Yahoo! have fought the government request in the courts? [...] [...] What was interesting for me was how the other search engines caved and handed over the data. I was interviewing Bradley Horowitz of Yahoo! the other night for a Podleaders.com podcast and, in the context of Yahoo! having previously provided information to the Chinese Government which resulted in a Chinese journalist being jailed for 10 years, I specifically asked him: If this had happened in the US would Yahoo! have fought the government request in the courts? [...]

]]> By: Merv http://globalvoicesonline.org/2005/09/06/warning-yahoo-wont-protect-you/comment-page-2/#comment-22488 Merv Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:21:06 +0000 http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/globalvoices/?p=1825#comment-22488 Thank You for your source. Keep working! Thank You for your source. Keep working!

]]> By: ANONYMOUS http://globalvoicesonline.org/2005/09/06/warning-yahoo-wont-protect-you/comment-page-2/#comment-21899 ANONYMOUS Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:29:03 +0000 http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/globalvoices/?p=1825#comment-21899 "September 23rd, 2005 at 3:39 am Alcofribas Nazier: Tranposition to well known history will help clarify the debate : 20 Years ago (supposing the WWW had existed at that time) Yahoo would have helped jail soviet dissidents and Solidarsnoc militants. 60-odd years ago it may have tipped the nazis about jews on the run or French resistants. Business is businness isn’t it ? Or should it be different" I AGREE WITH YOU! YAHOO BACK IN NAZI GERMANY WOULD HAVE TURNED IN JEWS AND ANYONE WHO DIDN'T AGREE WITH THE NAZI GOVERNMENT TO BE MURDERED IN GAS CHAMBERS. THERE IS A MORAL STANDARD THAT IS UNIVERSAL REGARDLESS OF HUMAN LAWS. FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS A UNIVERSAL MORAL LAW THAT SUPERSEDES ALL HUMAN LAWS INCLUDING CHINESE LAWS. YAHOO AND ANY BUSINESS THAT DOESN'T ABIDE TO THESE UNIVERSAL TRUTHS HAVE NO VALID DEFENSE WHEN THEY GET PEOPLE WHO SPEAK THEIR MINDS IN JAIL. YAHOO, YOU HAVE NO MORAL STANDING IN GETTING PEOPLE JAILED FOR SPEAKING THEIR MINDS. YOU ARE A UNIVERSAL MORAL LAW BREAKER, AND YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED SINCE YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO THE HUMAN RACE. YAHOO, I SPEAK TO YOU AS AN ORGANIZATION, ARE YOU WILLING TO TURN IN PEOPLE SO THAT THEY CAN BE EXECUTED BY THE CHINESE GOVERMENT? WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO DRAW THE LINE BETWEEN SELLING YOUR SOUL TO MAKE MONEY AND UPHOLD BASIC HUMAN MORALS? YAHOO, YOU ARE A SHAME TO THE HUMAN RACE. “September 23rd, 2005 at 3:39 am Alcofribas Nazier:
Tranposition to well known history will help clarify the debate :

20 Years ago (supposing the WWW had existed at that time) Yahoo would have helped jail soviet dissidents and Solidarsnoc militants.

60-odd years ago it may have tipped the nazis about jews on the run or French resistants.

Business is businness isn’t it ? Or should it be different”

I AGREE WITH YOU! YAHOO BACK IN NAZI GERMANY WOULD HAVE TURNED IN JEWS AND ANYONE WHO DIDN’T AGREE WITH THE NAZI GOVERNMENT TO BE MURDERED IN GAS CHAMBERS. THERE IS A MORAL STANDARD THAT IS UNIVERSAL REGARDLESS OF HUMAN LAWS. FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS A UNIVERSAL MORAL LAW THAT SUPERSEDES ALL HUMAN LAWS INCLUDING CHINESE LAWS. YAHOO AND ANY BUSINESS THAT DOESN’T ABIDE TO THESE UNIVERSAL TRUTHS HAVE NO VALID DEFENSE WHEN THEY GET PEOPLE WHO SPEAK THEIR MINDS IN JAIL. YAHOO, YOU HAVE NO MORAL STANDING IN GETTING PEOPLE JAILED FOR SPEAKING THEIR MINDS. YOU ARE A UNIVERSAL MORAL LAW BREAKER, AND YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED SINCE YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO THE HUMAN RACE. YAHOO, I SPEAK TO YOU AS AN ORGANIZATION, ARE YOU WILLING TO TURN IN PEOPLE SO THAT THEY CAN BE EXECUTED BY THE CHINESE GOVERMENT? WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO DRAW THE LINE BETWEEN SELLING YOUR SOUL TO MAKE MONEY AND UPHOLD BASIC HUMAN MORALS? YAHOO, YOU ARE A SHAME TO THE HUMAN RACE.

]]> By: Jim http://globalvoicesonline.org/2005/09/06/warning-yahoo-wont-protect-you/comment-page-2/#comment-19553 Jim Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:35:18 +0000 http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/globalvoices/?p=1825#comment-19553 Yahoo is evil. Some imposter got into my jimmylowry98 account and changed my password along with other identifying information so I could not recover it. Here is what yahoo says I must do: Hello, Thank you for writing to Yahoo! Account Services. In order for us to assist you in the most efficient manner possible, we will need you to provide all of the information requested below. Without the proper verification information, we may be unable to provide further assistance. Please reply to this email and provide all of the following: 1. Yahoo! ID 2. Date of birth (mm-dd-yyyy) 3. ZIP/Postal Code 4. Country 5. The alternate email address that is currently listed 6. Your new desired alternate email address, if it needs to be updated (please note that this address cannot be a Yahoo! Mail address) 7. Challenge Question and Secret Answer, if applicable. Thank you again for contacting Yahoo! Customer Care. Regards, Damian Yahoo! Customer Care Of course, I can't answer these. So Damian, Why don't you go execute a few more chinese citizens and also stick that yahoo account up your *** where the sun don't shine. Yahoo is evil. Some imposter got into my jimmylowry98 account and changed my password along with other identifying information so I could not recover it. Here is what yahoo says I must do:
Hello,

Thank you for writing to Yahoo! Account Services.

In order for us to assist you in the most efficient manner possible, we
will need you to provide all of the information requested below.
Without the proper verification information, we may be unable to provide
further assistance.

Please reply to this email and provide all of the following:

1. Yahoo! ID

2. Date of birth (mm-dd-yyyy)

3. ZIP/Postal Code

4. Country

5. The alternate email address that is currently listed

6. Your new desired alternate email address, if it needs to be updated
(please note that this address cannot be a Yahoo! Mail address)

7. Challenge Question and Secret Answer, if applicable.

Thank you again for contacting Yahoo! Customer Care.

Regards,

Damian

Yahoo! Customer Care

Of course, I can’t answer these.

So Damian, Why don’t you go execute a few more chinese citizens and also stick that yahoo account up your *** where the sun don’t shine.

]]> By: Lynnette deTiege http://globalvoicesonline.org/2005/09/06/warning-yahoo-wont-protect-you/comment-page-2/#comment-5244 Lynnette deTiege Thu, 06 Oct 2005 04:24:39 +0000 http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/globalvoices/?p=1825#comment-5244 "Alcofribas Nazier: Tranposition to well known history will help clarify the debate : 20 Years ago (supposing the WWW had existed at that time) Yahoo would have helped jail soviet dissidents and Solidarsnoc militants. 60-odd years ago it may have tipped the nazis about jews on the run or French resistants. Business is businness isn’t it ? Or should it be different ?" "NYCmoderate:What is the difference, in substance not mechanics, between Yahoo turning this information over to the Chinese government and the US government retrieving similar information in this country either through court order or the PATRIOT act? ... what should they do instead?" Sadly, Yahoo doesn't care until their money is impacted. HOWEVER, in the US, Yahoo (like all corporations) 1) can go to court to fight what it views as unfair and 2) send lobbyists to make sure they can weaken or don't have to comply with regulations any way. Is that too disillusioned of me? “Alcofribas Nazier:
Tranposition to well known history will help clarify the debate :

20 Years ago (supposing the WWW had existed at that time) Yahoo would have helped jail soviet dissidents and Solidarsnoc militants.

60-odd years ago it may have tipped the nazis about jews on the run or French resistants.

Business is businness isn’t it ? Or should it be different ?”

“NYCmoderate:What is the difference, in substance not mechanics, between Yahoo turning this information over to the Chinese government and the US government retrieving similar information in this country either through court order or the PATRIOT act?
… what should they do instead?”
Sadly, Yahoo doesn’t care until their money is impacted. HOWEVER, in the US, Yahoo (like all corporations) 1) can go to court to fight what it views as unfair and 2) send lobbyists to make sure they can weaken or don’t have to comply with regulations any way.

Is that too disillusioned of me?

]]> By: Alcofribas Nazier http://globalvoicesonline.org/2005/09/06/warning-yahoo-wont-protect-you/comment-page-2/#comment-4069 Alcofribas Nazier Fri, 23 Sep 2005 07:39:51 +0000 http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/globalvoices/?p=1825#comment-4069 Tranposition to well known history will help clarify the debate : 20 Years ago (supposing the WWW had existed at that time) Yahoo would have helped jail soviet dissidents and Solidarsnoc militants. 60-odd years ago it may have tipped the nazis about jews on the run or French resistants. Business is businness isn't it ? Or should it be different ? Tranposition to well known history will help clarify the debate :

20 Years ago (supposing the WWW had existed at that time) Yahoo would have helped jail soviet dissidents and Solidarsnoc militants.

60-odd years ago it may have tipped the nazis about jews on the run or French resistants.

Business is businness isn’t it ? Or should it be different ?

]]> By: LZ.Bin http://globalvoicesonline.org/2005/09/06/warning-yahoo-wont-protect-you/comment-page-2/#comment-3214 LZ.Bin Sun, 11 Sep 2005 02:33:35 +0000 http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/globalvoices/?p=1825#comment-3214 歼贼当道，冠冕堂皇，这是中崋民族的耻辱， 歼贼当道，冠冕堂皇，这是中崋民族的耻辱，

]]> By: LZ.Bin http://globalvoicesonline.org/2005/09/06/warning-yahoo-wont-protect-you/comment-page-2/#comment-3213 LZ.Bin Sun, 11 Sep 2005 02:30:33 +0000 http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/globalvoices/?p=1825#comment-3213 We Allways remember these men that hit us ,use country's tools 我们永远记住一些人，他们肆意以国家的名义，和“工具”残害自己的同胞， We Allways remember these men that hit us ,use country’s tools

我们永远记住一些人，他们肆意以国家的名义，和“工具”残害自己的同胞，

]]> By: LZ.Bin http://globalvoicesonline.org/2005/09/06/warning-yahoo-wont-protect-you/comment-page-2/#comment-3212 LZ.Bin Sun, 11 Sep 2005 02:25:40 +0000 http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/globalvoices/?p=1825#comment-3212 可怕的中国政府， It's BAD! 可怕的中国政府，
It’s BAD!

]]> By: dfsdfsdf http://globalvoicesonline.org/2005/09/06/warning-yahoo-wont-protect-you/comment-page-1/#comment-3203 dfsdfsdf Sat, 10 Sep 2005 17:35:42 +0000 http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/globalvoices/?p=1825#comment-3203 可怕．． 可怕．．

]]> By: None » 十年牢獄之災 v.s 守法的 Yahoo http://globalvoicesonline.org/2005/09/06/warning-yahoo-wont-protect-you/comment-page-1/#comment-3201 None » 十年牢獄之災 v.s 守法的 Yahoo Sat, 10 Sep 2005 17:08:57 +0000 http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/globalvoices/?p=1825#comment-3201 [...] 師濤的判決書 Information supplied by Yahoo ! helped journalist Shi Tao get 10 years in prison Warning: Yahoo! won’t protect you. Yahoo! helps Chinese cops Yahoo被指為記者入獄的幫兇 雅虎洩密中共 記者陷10年鐵窗 [...] [...] 師濤的判決書 Information supplied by Yahoo ! helped journalist Shi Tao get 10 years in prison Warning: Yahoo! won’t protect you. Yahoo! helps Chinese cops Yahoo被指為記者入獄的幫兇 雅虎洩密中共 記者陷10年鐵窗 [...]

]]> By: ACB http://globalvoicesonline.org/2005/09/06/warning-yahoo-wont-protect-you/comment-page-1/#comment-3135 ACB Thu, 08 Sep 2005 18:20:25 +0000 http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/globalvoices/?p=1825#comment-3135 If anybody is interested, I have a copy of the abstract that Shi Tao was convicted for disclosing. I've posted the original Chinese and an English translation on my blog. The URL is http://angrychineseblogger.blog-city.com/chinese_state_secret_available_for_download_on_acb.htm If anybody is interested, I have a copy of the abstract that Shi Tao was convicted for disclosing. I’ve posted the original Chinese and an English translation on my blog. The URL is

http://angrychineseblogger.blog-city.com/chinese_state_secret_available_for_download_on_acb.htm

]]> By: BizzyBlog.com » Effectively Immediately, I Do NOT Yahoo! http://globalvoicesonline.org/2005/09/06/warning-yahoo-wont-protect-you/comment-page-1/#comment-3132 BizzyBlog.com » Effectively Immediately, I Do NOT Yahoo! Thu, 08 Sep 2005 17:20:31 +0000 http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/globalvoices/?p=1825#comment-3132 [...] (Hat tips for original news: Global Voices Online, through Instapundit and Roger Simon) [...] [...] (Hat tips for original news: Global Voices Online, through Instapundit and Roger Simon) [...]

]]> By: Stephen http://globalvoicesonline.org/2005/09/06/warning-yahoo-wont-protect-you/comment-page-1/#comment-3104 Stephen Wed, 07 Sep 2005 14:24:09 +0000 http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/globalvoices/?p=1825#comment-3104 "What is the difference, in substance not mechanics, between Yahoo turning this information over to the Chinese government and the US government retrieving similar information in this country either through court order or the PATRIOT act?" None whatsoever, but this is irrelevant to the original post as far as I can tell. No-one is claiming that you are any more protected in the US than in China. Moral: whether you live in Wuhan or Wichita, don't use unencrypted e-mail for transferring information that you have even the slightest suspicion your government could one day use against you. “What is the difference, in substance not mechanics, between Yahoo turning this information over to the Chinese government and the US government retrieving similar information in this country either through court order or the PATRIOT act?”

None whatsoever, but this is irrelevant to the original post as far as I can tell. No-one is claiming that you are any more protected in the US than in China. Moral: whether you live in Wuhan or Wichita, don’t use unencrypted e-mail for transferring information that you have even the slightest suspicion your government could one day use against you.

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