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		<title>By: 阿宽</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2005/06/30/question-for-chinese-bloggers/comment-page-7/#comment-1518130</link>
		<dc:creator>阿宽</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 03:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GW的确厉害，不过代理也不是太好用，现在不是有Tor吗？我觉得不错
http://www.a-kuan.cn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GW的确厉害，不过代理也不是太好用，现在不是有Tor吗？我觉得不错<br />
<a href="http://www.a-kuan.cn" rel="nofollow">http://www.a-kuan.cn</a></p>
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		<title>By: catding</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2005/06/30/question-for-chinese-bloggers/comment-page-6/#comment-1194645</link>
		<dc:creator>catding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 08:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have a try at Surf Yourself<br />
It is a Fast Free Web Proxy<br />
<a href="http://proxy.iandron.cn" rel="nofollow">http://proxy.iandron.cn</a></p>
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		<title>By: 我blog故我在 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 不断前进中的伟大*防*火*长*城*再次取得技术突破！</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2005/06/30/question-for-chinese-bloggers/comment-page-6/#comment-1188542</link>
		<dc:creator>我blog故我在 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 不断前进中的伟大*防*火*长*城*再次取得技术突破！</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 02:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 我们的内部的宏伟程度是不可想象的, 国际领先的CISCO公司的盒子只相当于我们的墙砖而已, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 我们的内部的宏伟程度是不可想象的, 国际领先的CISCO公司的盒子只相当于我们的墙砖而已, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 未完成 - Incomplete &#187; GFW与温水里的青蛙</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2005/06/30/question-for-chinese-bloggers/comment-page-6/#comment-3255</link>
		<dc:creator>未完成 - Incomplete &#187; GFW与温水里的青蛙</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2005 03:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 我自己，以及很多人似乎都象温水里的青蛙一样，慢慢变得习惯有些网站是无法正常连接的，甚至有时候都已经不再有兴趣改用代理绕过去阅读。GVO的Rebecca曾经问过一个问题，到底有多少中国网络用户会用代理来浏览被封的网站，网站被封会对网民的信息了解以及对国家与国外的理解产生多大的影响。虽然“代理服务器”相关的软件一直是国内的“高级网民”很热衷的东西，Google所推出的加速软件也迅速被我们发现了穿透的意外功能，但我仍然相信常使用代理去浏览外部世界的网络用户只占中国上亿网民中很小的比例。GFW无疑也深深地影响着网民的信息了解与对世界的理解，但我们就像在温水里的青蛙一样慢慢地习惯了这个有边界的网络，甚至当这个边界变得越来越狭窄时也毫无知觉，越来越麻木。而让我们变得麻木的其实还不仅仅是被GFW隔断的外部世界，还有被设置了层层路障的国内媒体。 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 我自己，以及很多人似乎都象温水里的青蛙一样，慢慢变得习惯有些网站是无法正常连接的，甚至有时候都已经不再有兴趣改用代理绕过去阅读。GVO的Rebecca曾经问过一个问题，到底有多少中国网络用户会用代理来浏览被封的网站，网站被封会对网民的信息了解以及对国家与国外的理解产生多大的影响。虽然“代理服务器”相关的软件一直是国内的“高级网民”很热衷的东西，Google所推出的加速软件也迅速被我们发现了穿透的意外功能，但我仍然相信常使用代理去浏览外部世界的网络用户只占中国上亿网民中很小的比例。GFW无疑也深深地影响着网民的信息了解与对世界的理解，但我们就像在温水里的青蛙一样慢慢地习惯了这个有边界的网络，甚至当这个边界变得越来越狭窄时也毫无知觉，越来越麻木。而让我们变得麻木的其实还不仅仅是被GFW隔断的外部世界，还有被设置了层层路障的国内媒体。 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mcgill</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2005/06/30/question-for-chinese-bloggers/comment-page-6/#comment-2680</link>
		<dc:creator>Mcgill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2005 16:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see any point as to why chinese would restrict sites outside their country. Though I havn&#039;t been there for long time so I can&#039;t say much in this connection but the most obvious reason I see is the one due to language controversy. Otherwise there is not point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see any point as to why chinese would restrict sites outside their country. Though I havn&#8217;t been there for long time so I can&#8217;t say much in this connection but the most obvious reason I see is the one due to language controversy. Otherwise there is not point.</p>
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		<title>By: Hsueh</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2005/06/30/question-for-chinese-bloggers/comment-page-6/#comment-2046</link>
		<dc:creator>Hsueh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2005 02:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a Taiwanese and working in China, I have many friends are same with me. We have a same problem: &quot;Can&#039;t been visited the website of Taiwan&quot;. As I knew, we can&#039;t visit all Taiwan&#039;s news website and government&#039;s website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Taiwanese and working in China, I have many friends are same with me. We have a same problem: &#8220;Can&#8217;t been visited the website of Taiwan&#8221;. As I knew, we can&#8217;t visit all Taiwan&#8217;s news website and government&#8217;s website.</p>
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		<title>By: tang</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2005/06/30/question-for-chinese-bloggers/comment-page-6/#comment-1731</link>
		<dc:creator>tang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2005 02:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>我认为很多人都关心政治,但是不敢</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>我认为很多人都关心政治,但是不敢</p>
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		<title>By: mediaspin123</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2005/06/30/question-for-chinese-bloggers/comment-page-6/#comment-1375</link>
		<dc:creator>mediaspin123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2005 08:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who knows? Look at the countries which has gone through &quot;shock treatment&#039; or
orange revolution. Are they better off now than they were? Look at Russia!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who knows? Look at the countries which has gone through &#8220;shock treatment&#8217; or<br />
orange revolution. Are they better off now than they were? Look at Russia!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Pan</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2005/06/30/question-for-chinese-bloggers/comment-page-6/#comment-1356</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Pan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2005 16:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter Pan,

China should remain an oppressed state
Freedom of speech is overrated
Look at the middle-east, we are destroying their cultures by giving their people rights
If China becomes free, then they will lose their whole cultural heritage

Nobody should ruin anyone&#039;s culture-don&#039;t you see my logic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter Pan,</p>
<p>China should remain an oppressed state<br />
Freedom of speech is overrated<br />
Look at the middle-east, we are destroying their cultures by giving their people rights<br />
If China becomes free, then they will lose their whole cultural heritage</p>
<p>Nobody should ruin anyone&#8217;s culture-don&#8217;t you see my logic?</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca MacKinnon</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2005/06/30/question-for-chinese-bloggers/comment-page-6/#comment-1353</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca MacKinnon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2005 15:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note: One comment has been deleted due to use of obscene words. If the commenter would like to re-post without obscene words it will be permitted. However please note that the topic of this thread has to do with online freedom of speech in China. Other topics being posted in this thread are really killing the ability to discuss an important issue. We appreciate your consideration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note: One comment has been deleted due to use of obscene words. If the commenter would like to re-post without obscene words it will be permitted. However please note that the topic of this thread has to do with online freedom of speech in China. Other topics being posted in this thread are really killing the ability to discuss an important issue. We appreciate your consideration.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Pan</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2005/06/30/question-for-chinese-bloggers/comment-page-6/#comment-1352</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Pan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2005 13:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter Pan,

Ricky Tan are you suggesting that &quot;Wake Up&quot; has a closed conscious view of the world?

Don&#039;t you think that when people grow up, they should have the option to grow up in a culture that they choose, a religion that makes them happy, and freedoms that makes everyone equal (at least politically)???

Is this not just? 

Or should we keep cultures isolated from one another so they can keep their identities?

Wake Up seems to want an impoverished world and corrupt governments that support oppressed cultures-that way we can have many cultural identities

THE LAST THING &#039;WAKE UP&#039; WOULD WANT TO DO IS TO SUPPORT A NATION THAT IS FOUNDED ON TOLERANCE-RATHER HE WOULD SIDE WITH OPPRESSSSSSSSSSED NATIONS....
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter Pan,</p>
<p>Ricky Tan are you suggesting that &#8220;Wake Up&#8221; has a closed conscious view of the world?</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you think that when people grow up, they should have the option to grow up in a culture that they choose, a religion that makes them happy, and freedoms that makes everyone equal (at least politically)???</p>
<p>Is this not just? </p>
<p>Or should we keep cultures isolated from one another so they can keep their identities?</p>
<p>Wake Up seems to want an impoverished world and corrupt governments that support oppressed cultures-that way we can have many cultural identities</p>
<p>THE LAST THING &#8216;WAKE UP&#8217; WOULD WANT TO DO IS TO SUPPORT A NATION THAT IS FOUNDED ON TOLERANCE-RATHER HE WOULD SIDE WITH OPPRESSSSSSSSSSED NATIONS&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: bob bell</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2005/06/30/question-for-chinese-bloggers/comment-page-5/#comment-1342</link>
		<dc:creator>bob bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2005 17:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poster &quot;WAKE UP&quot; needs to wake up. The United States of America is all that stands between civilized society and anarchy. The comparisons of the USA to Hitler, USSR etc are so ludicrous that they defy reality. Perhaps &quot;WAKE UP&quot; should go back to school and learn some history. One does not have to agree with everything that our neighbours do but one would expect that even the most rudimentary of educations would impart the knowledge that our American cousins have stood tall and brought more freedom to this world than any other country on the planet. Perhaps &quot;WAKE UP&quot; could illuminate us all as to what country on this planet has done more for freedom than the USA. To our American friends, I will not apologize for this asshats comments. Better to be thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt as this individual has done. Happy Independence Day!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poster &#8220;WAKE UP&#8221; needs to wake up. The United States of America is all that stands between civilized society and anarchy. The comparisons of the USA to Hitler, USSR etc are so ludicrous that they defy reality. Perhaps &#8220;WAKE UP&#8221; should go back to school and learn some history. One does not have to agree with everything that our neighbours do but one would expect that even the most rudimentary of educations would impart the knowledge that our American cousins have stood tall and brought more freedom to this world than any other country on the planet. Perhaps &#8220;WAKE UP&#8221; could illuminate us all as to what country on this planet has done more for freedom than the USA. To our American friends, I will not apologize for this asshats comments. Better to be thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt as this individual has done. Happy Independence Day!</p>
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		<title>By: Overful</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2005/06/30/question-for-chinese-bloggers/comment-page-5/#comment-1341</link>
		<dc:creator>Overful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2005 17:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steffan is right: &quot;Either Wake Up! is not a native speaker of English, or...&quot;

In fact he&#039;s &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; Canadian, as is clear by his misuse of the metaphor, &quot;last ditch,&quot; which he puts in parentheses and by his use of the cow metaphor. I suspect he is Afghani and drives a cab for Beck--and a filthy cab at that--as filthy as his mind.

I remember being driven home from dialysis one night by a feverish and uncommunicative Afghani listening to the radio and hysterically shrieking about 3,000 people having being killed. &quot;Isn&#039;t that the same number as were murdered in the two towers?&quot; I asked. He shrugged off the question.

I see he is still feverish, uncommunicative, with a filthy mind (and taxi no doubt).

God bless George W. Bush and the Indian fighters! (the Indian Wars are not hidden from Americans--they are in every history survey of America.)(Note no mention is made of the invasion of Europe and Russia and N. Africa by the Muslims.)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steffan is right: &#8220;Either Wake Up! is not a native speaker of English, or&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>In fact he&#8217;s <i>not</i> Canadian, as is clear by his misuse of the metaphor, &#8220;last ditch,&#8221; which he puts in parentheses and by his use of the cow metaphor. I suspect he is Afghani and drives a cab for Beck&#8211;and a filthy cab at that&#8211;as filthy as his mind.</p>
<p>I remember being driven home from dialysis one night by a feverish and uncommunicative Afghani listening to the radio and hysterically shrieking about 3,000 people having being killed. &#8220;Isn&#8217;t that the same number as were murdered in the two towers?&#8221; I asked. He shrugged off the question.</p>
<p>I see he is still feverish, uncommunicative, with a filthy mind (and taxi no doubt).</p>
<p>God bless George W. Bush and the Indian fighters! (the Indian Wars are not hidden from Americans&#8211;they are in every history survey of America.)(Note no mention is made of the invasion of Europe and Russia and N. Africa by the Muslims.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ricky Tan</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2005/06/30/question-for-chinese-bloggers/comment-page-5/#comment-1334</link>
		<dc:creator>Ricky Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2005 14:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ricky Tan here:

Wake Up, thank you for sharing your opinion, which you obviously believe is right and maybe believe to be infallibe.  I will tell you that I am starting to get sick of all the people out there who believe themselves to be 100% right.  Your liberal opinion has its fair share of truth in it and I believe you do have good values, but the conservative or the republican opinion also has truth to it.  In order to pretend to be 100% right, you must understand both opinions and really see the good and truth in both.  Then you can be arrogant enough to claim to know the greater truth, but to claim such perfection would be foolish.  Rather claim that you are closer than most people to understanding that truth.

Now to move on: (What do you consider a cultural identity???)

Do you support cultures that do not support education?
Do you support cultures that do not give its people freedom?
Do you support cultures that do not tolerate other cultures?
Do you support cultures that hate everything you stand for?


***There are many cultures that are not acceptable in the world.

I believe that when a child is born, he and she should have the freedom to choose what lifestyle they want, what religion suits them, and what culture brings them the most happiness.

I believe it to be ironic that you care so much about protecting the super-conservative Islamic culture and their opinion, but disregard the opinion of the American conservative. 

I just asking you to take a step back and reconsider....

Iraq war:
1)We had plenty of reasons for going to war, but did not go to war the right way and I admit that I did not initially support the Iraq war.

2)It has been over 2 years since that decision was made

3)Now, the questions should not be: Why did we go to Iraq?

4)The questions should be: What is the best way to form a government that supports their culture, but also supports freedom for the people, and how do we achieve it?

To be frank: Wake Up, I believe your remarks to be short-sighted because YOU REFUSE TO ANYTHING GOOD IN PRESIDENT BUSH&#039;S ACTION.  THUS, YOU CONSIDER YOUR OPINION TO BE INFALLIBLE AND THAT MY FRIEND IS ARROGANT AND WRONG...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ricky Tan here:</p>
<p>Wake Up, thank you for sharing your opinion, which you obviously believe is right and maybe believe to be infallibe.  I will tell you that I am starting to get sick of all the people out there who believe themselves to be 100% right.  Your liberal opinion has its fair share of truth in it and I believe you do have good values, but the conservative or the republican opinion also has truth to it.  In order to pretend to be 100% right, you must understand both opinions and really see the good and truth in both.  Then you can be arrogant enough to claim to know the greater truth, but to claim such perfection would be foolish.  Rather claim that you are closer than most people to understanding that truth.</p>
<p>Now to move on: (What do you consider a cultural identity???)</p>
<p>Do you support cultures that do not support education?<br />
Do you support cultures that do not give its people freedom?<br />
Do you support cultures that do not tolerate other cultures?<br />
Do you support cultures that hate everything you stand for?</p>
<p>***There are many cultures that are not acceptable in the world.</p>
<p>I believe that when a child is born, he and she should have the freedom to choose what lifestyle they want, what religion suits them, and what culture brings them the most happiness.</p>
<p>I believe it to be ironic that you care so much about protecting the super-conservative Islamic culture and their opinion, but disregard the opinion of the American conservative. </p>
<p>I just asking you to take a step back and reconsider&#8230;.</p>
<p>Iraq war:<br />
1)We had plenty of reasons for going to war, but did not go to war the right way and I admit that I did not initially support the Iraq war.</p>
<p>2)It has been over 2 years since that decision was made</p>
<p>3)Now, the questions should not be: Why did we go to Iraq?</p>
<p>4)The questions should be: What is the best way to form a government that supports their culture, but also supports freedom for the people, and how do we achieve it?</p>
<p>To be frank: Wake Up, I believe your remarks to be short-sighted because YOU REFUSE TO ANYTHING GOOD IN PRESIDENT BUSH&#8217;S ACTION.  THUS, YOU CONSIDER YOUR OPINION TO BE INFALLIBLE AND THAT MY FRIEND IS ARROGANT AND WRONG&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Canadian</title>
		<link>http://globalvoicesonline.org/2005/06/30/question-for-chinese-bloggers/comment-page-5/#comment-1323</link>
		<dc:creator>Canadian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2005 02:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am going to join some of the other Canadians on this site and apologies for this idiot. He does not represent Canada or the thinking of Canadians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am going to join some of the other Canadians on this site and apologies for this idiot. He does not represent Canada or the thinking of Canadians.</p>
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