Now in 2008 that Hu Jia is rumored to be a top contender for this year's Nobel Peace Prize, the news was at least reported, although quickly harmonized away, leaving just those which bear Liu Jianchao's harmonious talking point that a Nobel Peace Prize for Hu will without doubt hurt the feelings of the Chinese people, and just the rumor of it already has.

The relevant Anti-CNN post, using a Deutsche Welle report, still stands; some comments:

“诺贝尔和平奖”已经成了一个笑话。囧

现在是谁反华最凶，谁得诺贝尔和平奖，这个由西方国家控制的国际著名奖项的针对性还真强啊，我们中国想崛起太不容易了，希望祖国加油，她们越这样做，我们应该更团结。

过于愤怒？是严重鄙视吧！sb们爱咋地咋地。

是真的鄙视…
这个和平，让我再一次看到了虚伪…

若贝尔奖已经变异！变成反华奖！真是笑话！

回应它作甚？记住就是了．ＤＬＬＭ不是２０年前就得了，搞３.１４的暴徒就是他，自己扇了主子的大嘴巴．

真令人怀疑，若贝尔和平奖评审人员是不是被阉割过？？怎么这么荒唐呀？？！！

若贝尔和平奖=阴谋 颠覆 政府奖?

西方人真正是掩耳盗铃啊，一边还幻想中国去救市一边还对中国说三道四的，难道我们中国人好欺负吗

And from the more influential message board Paowang, comments on the Liu Jianchao ‘hurt feelings' statement:

# 怪不得最近老生病,原来中了诺贝尔病毒- <0 byte(s)> 徐九十五 2008-09-26 15:35:17 (26)

# 请把和平奖颁发给我- <0 byte(s)> 莫烦 2008-09-26 15:33:54 (23)

# 中国真的强大起来了
提交者 : 草草收场 于 泡网俱乐部 (http://paowang.com/) 北京时间 2008-09-26 15:19:48
答 复 : 外交部回应和平奖 提交者 : 弗洛伊德 于 北京时间 2008-09-26 13:17:56
强大到可以因为别人把屎拉在人家自己手上而我们的感情却收到了伤害

# 我被伤害了？
提交者 : 霜冷铁衣寒 于 泡网俱乐部 (http://paowang.com/) 北京时间 2008-09-26 15:07:54
答 复 : 外交部回应和平奖 提交者 : 弗洛伊德 于 北京时间 2008-09-26 13:17:56
咋没感觉呢？

# Re: 我被伤害了？
提交者 : cowbman 于 泡网俱乐部 (http://paowang.com/) 北京时间 2008-09-26 16:22:04
答 复 : 我被伤害了？ 提交者 : 霜冷铁衣寒 于 北京时间 2008-09-26 15:07:54
又被人代表着,被伤害了一次

# 笑
提交者 : 猫瓜 于 泡网俱乐部 (http://paowang.com/) 北京时间 2008-09-26 16:48:05
答 复 : Re: 我被伤害了？ 提交者 : cowbman 于 北京时间 2008-09-26 16:22:04
反正不被人戴三个红表，就被人戴三个西表，都习惯了

# 强烈要求中国外交部停止伤害中国人民的感情- <0 byte(s)> 小天 2008-09-26 14:52:19 (30)

# 我是不是已经遍体鳞伤了- <0 byte(s)> 我乃朝廷名官岂可降尔反贼！ 2008-09-26 14:41:56 (24)

# md，又被强奸一次。。。- <0 byte(s)> 鸡排骨 2008-09-26 14:10:33 (40)

# 又受到伤害了。。
提交者 : 鼻涕耷不流 于 泡网俱乐部 (http://paowang.com/) 北京时间 2008-09-26 13:26:38
答 复 : 外交部回应和平奖 提交者 : 弗洛伊德 于 北京时间 2008-09-26 13:17:56
这得要多脑残才有这待遇啊

# 中国人民的感情比身体重要啊- <0 byte(s)> 能不爱江南？ 2008-09-26 13:25:49 (58)

# 不是Yang佳么.- <18 byte(s)> 枯影 2008-09-27 05:21:32 (87)

What does that mean? It led Thomas Friedman to write that American cities now look third world in comparison to some of the ones China has built

Zhang Danhong took it a step further and claimed that through its free market reforms the Communist Party of China has done more than any political force before it by providing the Chinese people with the right to life, liberty and security of person.

Just as Zhang was getting fired by Deutsche Welle for having spokensaid that in public, with worries of a global economic crisis growing, a high-profile forum was held in Beijing to discuss the direction China ought to take over the coming thirty years.

In attendance were the who's who in the Chinese free-market economics, political and academic circles: Jiang Ping, Mao Yushi, Qin Hui, Zhou Qiren, Fan Gang and, having just several days prior been accused by anti-CCP website Boxun of spying for the US, free market economist Wu Jinglian.

Also in attendance was diehard free market economist Steven NS Cheung, who upped Zhang by proclaiming the current Chinese system the best one seen in human history.

On the weekend a summary of the ideas put forth at this forum was put online and has been getting posted around, bringing the forum discussion online. Flagship Bullog blogger ProState in Flames yesterday renamed the piece ‘Steven Cheung: “China's system, #1 under heaven”‘ and netizens elsewhere have been making similar snarky remarks. Namely, the anonymous piece appears to have been written by someone who was featured at the panel and refutes Cheung's claim, driving home the point that the priority now is for political and social reforms to catch up with economic reforms, starting with the growing rich-poor gap and the fight against corruption:

与会者一致承认，三十年来，中国各个领域的规则、制度发生了重大变化，举其大者如:私人产权获得一定程度保护，公有经济迅速缩小，私人企业逐渐发育以至于占据经济的半壁江山。这些制度变化释放出企业家的创造性，由此导致经济持续快速发展，私人财富与政府财政收入以较高速度增长。与会者提出了各种理论，来解释这一增长奇迹。

专程参加这次会议的华人经济学家张五常以这种增长为依据，断言这三十年来的中国经过摸索，已经形成了中国历史上、甚至人类历史上最好的制度。但是，在公开或者私下场合，所有大陆学者一致认为这个看法过于乐观。与会的经济学家都认为，目前的经济形势相当严峻，过去几年的高速经济增长未必能够持续。真正令人担心的是，其根源不完全是周期性因素，还有更深层次的结构性与制度性因素。

[…]

在“市场化三十年”论坛上，绝大多数学者都不再只是向后看，拿今天中国的富裕与三十年前的贫困相比而沾沾自喜；相反，更多的人向前看，思考中国还需要那些制度变革。学者们普遍相信，惟有通过进一步更为广泛而深刻的制度变革，才能够完善市场，进而使中国社会继续良性转型的进程。

学者们提出的策略包括，减少政府部门控制资源的权力；严格限定政府的职能范围，政府应当谨守自己的本分，不能充当公司，不能利用权力经营城市、经营土地；改革财政预算制度，给公众以更畅通的财政民主参与渠道。江平教授进一步提出，发展是硬道理、人权同样也是硬道理。总而言之，与会学者都同意吴敬琏的说法:必须坚定不移地推进政治改革，完善宪政的制度框架。

也就是说，中国要保持稳定增长就必须完善市场制度;要实现社会繁荣，就必须建立某种程度的普遍福利制度。但是，满足民众在物质方面的需求，却必须依靠合理的社会、政治制度。6月25日，中共中央总书记胡锦涛在中央党校讲话时指出，政治体制改革必须随着经济社会发展不断推进。

Lawyer-blogger Liu Xiaoyuan (刘晓原) has written eleven [zh] (not including those that have already been harmonized) posts about this case over the past week, looking at all aspects of the case. His post today [zh], however, deals not so much with the social factors that would see a brutal cop-killer receive so much support and sympathy both online and off, but the logistics of Yang's case as it moves forward from here, as well as problems he perceives in the non-transparent way it has been handled so far:

一审判决后，杨佳日子已不多了

从7月1日袭警案发，到今日宣判，整整两个月时间。奥运会的召开，让杨佳多活了一些日子。

杨佳袭警案会如何判决，不要说是律师，就是普通民众也能预料到结果。

我们关注杨佳袭警案，并不是支持他“以暴制暴”，而是关注案件的作案动机、司法机关办案程序，以及发生案件的深层次原因。

杨佳袭警案，仅从表面上来看，案情并不复杂，也不特殊，以前也有类似的案件发生，只不过没有杀死杀伤这么多警察。

杨佳袭警案，是一起全国有重大影响的案件，司法机关在办理案件中一些遮遮掩掩的做法，引起了社会的广泛质疑。

杨佳杀人了，本应受到社会的谴责。出乎预料的是，他竟然得到了很多人的同情。难道民众都好坏不分了吗？到底是什么原因，使民众的社会价值观如此颠倒了呢？

我想，除了社会深层次原因外，可能是司法机关办案中一些不透明做法。

在这起袭警案中，令人不可思议的是，杨佳母亲竟然莫明其妙的“失踪”了。她“失踪”后，当杨佳父亲委托的北京律师，来上海要求会见杨佳时，检察院又拿出了杨佳的笔录，说其只接受母亲委托的律师。有了这份笔录后，上海谢有明律师就在北京找到了杨佳母亲，并办理了授权委托书。这事有点离奇吧？

如果谢有明律师的授权委托有问题，则要影响到审判程序和判决的合法性。因为按照《刑事诉讼法》及司法解释规定，对可能判处死刑的案件，被告人一定要有辩护人进行辩护，当然，这个辩护人必须是依法委托或法院指定的。谢律师不是法院指定的辩护人，而是由杨佳母亲委托的辩护人。假设这个委托不真实，一审判决是不是程序违法呢？

这个案件中，不可思议的还有，杨佳的精神病鉴定，是无司法鉴定主体资格的机构所做。我不知，检察院或法院有没有对杨佳重新做司法鉴定。如果没有重新做过，而是以司法部司法鉴定科学技术研究所的鉴定，作为认定杨佳具有刑事责任能力的证据，那么，上海市第二中级人民法院的一审判决就存在严重问题。

一审判决后，杨佳还有十天的上诉期限。如果上诉了，还有二审程序，由上海市高级人民法院审判。二审判决后，还有最高人民法院死刑复核程序。如杨佳不上诉，只直接进入死刑复核程序。

按照《刑事诉讼法》第196条规定，第二审人民法院受理上诉案件，应当在一个月以内审结。至迟不得超过一个半月。有本法126条之规定情形的，还可以再延长一个月。

杨佳袭警案，不符合《刑事诉讼法》第126条规定的情形。也就是说，这个案件的最长审限是一个半月。

7月1日案发，7月10日侦查完毕，上海警方将案件移送上海市人民检察院第二分院审查起诉。7月17日，检察院二分院向上海市第二中级人民法院提起公诉。如果不是因为奥运临近，7月28日就要开庭审理。从中可以看出，公检法对此案是速侦、速审、速判。

二审判决后，死刑复核期限没有明确时限规定，也就是说，可快可慢。

原山东省济南市人大常委会段义和炸死情妇一案，2007年8月23日二审当庭作出判决驳回上诉，案件进入死刑复核，仅用十天就复核完毕，9月4日执行了死刑。段义和一案，7月9日案发，到执行死刑，只用了五十八天时间。我担任律师的廖思齐死刑复核案，案件在六月初就到了最高人民法院复核，至今三个月了还没有复核完毕。

如果不是奥运会，杨佳一案也会象段义和案那么快。

如快的话，也许在九月底之前，杨佳一案会走完全部程序，最迟不会超过十月底。

“Truly Exceptional” is the term IOC honored the 2008 Beijing Olympics. At the time that Chinese people strived to impress the world with grandiose stadiums, seamless organization and the best service ever provided, the Chinese athletes didn’t disappoint the host nation with 51 gold medals, topping the table for its first time. Only 10 medals fewer than U.S, China seconds by the total medals won.

Thinking back the 1932 Los Angels Olympics when only 1 athlete from China made his appearance with no gain, no one could deny this is a historic achievement.

China maintained advantages on sports such as gymnastic, badminton, diving and Ping-pong, but also achieved ground-breaking victories on rowing, gymnastics trampoline, and fencing etc.

Questions

However, with the farewell fireworks dying down and life back to normal, more and more people begin to question whether the result could suggest China is indeed a great power in sports.

On portal website 163.com, an online voting was conducted on the topic “Is China a great power in sports?” 4730 Yes vs. 17030 No more or less proves a large part of people still thought China has a long way to go.

China’s weakness on worldwide popular sports like football and basketball is clear. We also fell behind both on tracks and swimming pool, the merely 2 bronzes got on track and field are more than embarrassing. Liu Xiang’s withdrawal from 110-metre hurdle race extinguished the last hope for a gold medal for Chinese in the spectacular National Stadium (Bird Nest).

An internet user (网易中国网友) commented on 163.com that:

各种奥林匹克比赛，奥林匹克考试中国都行但看看，得到的金牌的含金量，举重8块，试问，世界上有几个国家开展？中国有个人玩这个项目呢？最最起码的常见的体育项目田径、游泳成绩惨不忍睹，世界都玩的中国有几个强的？

Look at the true value of the gold medals we won. How many countries in the world play weight-lifting, on which we totally grabbed 8 gold medals? How many Chinese people are actually practicing weight-lifting? On the other hand, for the most basic and common sports like tracks and swimming, we have poorly performed. Have we really excelled on any game the whole world play?

In an opinion (网易特评) written directly by 163.com, the author questioned that though China won a gold medal on rowing, the playing of the game is in fact uneasy to see in daily life of Chinese.

在中国的湖面、河道上几乎看不到赛艇的踪迹，很多人甚至连赛艇是什么都不知道，但是在欧美国家，赛艇的普及程度超乎中国人的想象。在那里，公开水域、宽广的河面常常点缀着各色赛艇

On the lakes and rivers in China, rowing boats are hard to find. Many people don’t even know what it is. But in western countries, it is far more popular than Chinese could imagine. There in public waters and broad rivers a great many kinds of rowing boats scattered around.

However, another side of opinions thinks quite the other way.
Internet user from Zhongshan, Guangdong (网易广东中山网友) said:

有 人说我们田径不行，所以我们不是强国！那牙买加一定是强国，因为他们田径厉害。有人说我们足球不行，所以我们不是强国！那巴西一定是强国，因为他们足球厉 害。也有人说我们篮球不行，所以我们不是强国！那立陶宛一定是强国，因为他们篮球厉害！可是如果你说牙买加、巴西、立陶宛是体育强国的时候，估计人家会把 你当作疯子。我们就是强国，完全没有必要妄自菲薄！那些说自己不是强国是人，要么是别有居心，要么是自卑的民族自尊心在作怪，是对自己民族的一份不自信！

Some says we played poor on tracks so that we are not a great power in sports! Then Jamaica must be a great power because they are dazzling on the track. Some says we played poor on football so we are not a great power. Then Brazil should be a great power. And Lithuania is also a great power for its basketball. But consider that if you assert Jamaica, Brazil and Lithuania are all great powers on sports, I bet people would think you a mad man.
We are exactly a super power in sports, and we need not humiliate ourselves! For those denying our status are either with a covert intention or a self-contemptuous mind, in-confident on our nation.

石头儿 said:

我竟然在新华网上看到—— 一个世界上最荒唐的命题——-“金牌第一”不等于体育强国！ 为什么当美国金牌数第一的时候说美国是体育强国？

In xinhua.net, I saw a most ridiculous proposition in this world—- No. 1 on gold medal doesn’t mean a great power in sports. Then why should we call U.S a great power when they topped the table?

Though defenders’ comments are inspiring, questioners refused to give up any ground. They further called in question that the number of gold medals implies a great investment on professional athletes training, but don’t necessarily mean adequate support for populace health and sports, namely enough stadiums, spaces, infrastructures built for common people.

The comment by 163.com aforementioned also states:

中国现在的体育场地有85万多个，体育场地面积达13.2亿平方米，仅从数量上看已具有一定规模，但是相对于多达13亿人口而言，每万人仅拥有6.58个体育场地，人均体育场地面积权1平方米多(wiki)一点，与同时期的发达国家平均每万人拥有200多个体育场地的状况比起来，这可是30多的倍的差距。
据2005年有关部门对全国10多万名学生的调查表明，2/3(66%)的学生每天锻炼时间不足1小时，近1/4(24.8%)的学生每天基本不锻炼。

There are now 850,000 sporting venues in China, 1.32 billion m2 in area. It’s notable by quantity, but to the 1.3-billion population, it just means 6.58 venues for 10000 people and not much more than 1 m2 per person. It’s a 30-time margin to the developed countries where 200 venues were shared by 10000. According to a national-wide survey of 100,000 Chinese students, 66% exercised less than 1 hour every day and 24.8% basically do no exercise.

Internet user from Fuzhou (网易福建福州网友) said：

看看农村中小学的体育现状吧,很可悲,体育器材不全,领导重视不够,我做为一名农村教育工作者是最清楚的，我学校有6年没开运动会了

Look at the pessimistic status in quo of sports in villages. Equipments are incomplete, while the officials paid no attention. I am so clear with this as a rural teacher. In my school, sports meeting is not open for 6 years.

Internet user from Heilongjiang(易黑龙江绥化网友) said：

看看我们小学生的近视眼占都多少，就知道了

You’ll realize the truth when seeing so many grade-schoolers are wearing myopia glasses.

Internet user from Nanjing (网易江苏南京网友) said：

金牌获得多，只能说明是比赛强国。因为中国13亿人口，选拔参加奥运比赛选手还是比较占优势的。而且，运动员因为训练比赛而失去健康，其实不是一件好事，因为那已经不是运动爱好者，更不是为了健康而运动了。

A great haul of gold medals means nothing but that China is a super power in COMPETITION. It’s not hard to choose from 1.3 billion people the best to attend the Games. Furthermore, it’s not a pleasing thing for those who lost their health in training, as they are no long practicing for joy and health, but only for competition.

Comparation

So is U.S a super power in sports?

Holding that China is far from a super power in sports, most people unconsciously took U.S as an idol, for both its balance on gold, silver and bronze haul, also its populace participation in sports.

But the “idol” is quickly broken in ridicules.

In Tianya, 鎏金岁月 said:

那些说美国全民体育的人估计没几个真正到过美国的,
一到美国你就会发现原来真正的美国人和好莱坞大片中的美国人不太一样,
美国人的肥胖率是全球最高的,都是让垃圾食品害的,
要是全民体育,人人都是体育迷,每天抽一两个小时出来锻炼身体会有这么高的肥胖率?

I guess those suggesting a mass participation in sports in U.S have not really been in U.S. Once you are there you’ll find Americans much different from that depicted in Hollywood films. U.S is one of the fattest nation in the world due to their trash food. If it was really a sporting country full of sport fans, would it be possible for such an obesity rate?